You can keep claiming "from my perspective, it's the Jedi who are evil" however much you want;
No. In my argument, you are on the side of the Sith. I am on the side of the Jedi. See how that works?
Originally Posted by Dexai
you're still arguing in circles and refusing to respond to other people's arguments.
I have literally responded to every argument. I have been entirely consistent. I am right. The best argument your "several people" have dredged up is that people would look "sideways" at someone wearing onyx, cause. Just cause. Just cause some baddie gods like black gemstones in some deity source books. Not because any of those source books actually *say* anything about people looking sideways at someone wearing onyx.
Originally Posted by Dexai
This is bordering on delusional. That "obfuscation" was me responding directly to the argument you were making about religions.
I humored the poorly made argument about how recognizable satan was to the average person in a world where Christianity is quite literally the largest religion with well over 2 billion members.
But just because I humored the argument in one comment doesn't change the fact that the argument itself is obfuscation. The whole point of whether or not someone recognizes satan has nothing to do with whether or not wearing jewelry equates to worshiping Shar.
There's nothing delusional about that. It comes down to a simple lack of understanding about what was being said, likely because of defensiveness and an inability to escape prideful, rigid thinking.
Originally Posted by Dexai
This thread is about the need for the player to know who Shar is before Shadowheart's reveal in order to be able to make an informed role-playing decision about how their character should react to it.
And I made a point of saying that while I'm okay with more lore being shared if there's a good moment in the game to do so... I don't actually think it's necessary. I think it probably works better the way it is now, which is to say that Tav has reason to say he doesn't care, but as time goes forward and Tav learns more, then maybe Tav will have more reason to care.
Going straight into: "your character knows Shar is irredeemably evil" is dumb, in my opinion. It's weak storytelling sauce when Shadowheart is such a big part of the story right now. I think that approach isn't very good and is indicative of mediocre storytelling mindsets.
Originally Posted by Dexai
You are the main reason we're still stuck going on and on about whether or not the cleric who's wearing Sharran imagery should be recognisable as -- or even just suspectable of being -- a Sharran.
You can stop going on and on any time you want. I'm only responding to comments. If you live in a world where you think people have to agree with you, I can see how you might be frustrated.
Originally Posted by Dexai
And to be honest, I have to stop myself to get involved with that argument to just because of what a godawful job you are doing of arguing against it. You just literally asserted word by word that post hoc ergo propter hoc and you have the gall to throw stones about other people's jumps of logic in that glasshouse of an argument you've built. In the very same response even!
Okay, let's walk through this.
1. Your argument is that Larian knowingly put Shadowheart in armor that showcases her worship of Shar. 2. And because of that, people should know that Shadowheart worships Shar. 3. But if Larian knowingly put her in obvious armor... 4. Then why didn't they have people recognize her worship of Shar?
Or are you arguing that Larian accidentally put her in armor that obviously showcases her worship of Shar?
If they made the design decision on purpose... knowing that people would recognize her worship of Shar... then why do people in their setting not recognize that she worships Shar?
I'm making a simple point that should be easy to follow. This is not an argument that the sun rises because the rooster crows.
