Originally Posted by robertthebard
Originally Posted by smd1967
This fight is not balanced. The gith are all a complete level 5. They have on average double the PC's group hit points, at least 2 attacks per turn (some have 3), and other very over powered attacks. They can take the main group down in just a few hits and always have initiative. The only way I make it through this encounter is to tell Lae'Zel to be quiet and have a very high persuasion character talk to them. I remember when the game first came out this battle was challenging but not impossible. Now, it us impossible. I keep trying but it is the most frustrating and unfun encounter. I usually end up just giving up and deciding "screw the creche. Lae'Zel can just deal with it". I hope that as new updates happen, and we're able to level up. I'm suck if the just below level 5 cap

They are also the last fight on the map before you find a way out that way. So, out of Early Access, I'd expect the fight to be more "even". In so far as "balanced", what party are you running? What party is Joe Casual running? What party am I running? My party has, twice now, done this encounter with no combat at all, so if it were possible to do so, I could have just hit the area transition to the next phase. No "cheese" required.

I have run every class for my PC and numerous party combinations. Some balanced (warrior, rogue, mage and healer) others high magic to dumb strength. I remember the fight when EA first out and while challenging it was fun and required strategy and a couple of reloads. Now the only way I can win (without taking advantage of any glitches) is to talk my way through. I know it can be won, but what I am typically seeing is that it's done through a cheat. I will mod the heck out of a game after a few play throughs, but I am not modding or glitching this game while in EA.

I do agree that I once out of EA this fight may well even out and be fun again . And I am sure there's a reason why we get this encounter now despite being under level. I just don't get why; but that's fine too. I can get around or avoid this fight for now.

I know one thing...when I can actually get to level 5 I am doing a happy dance.