Originally Posted by Niara
You're saying that you can use reading a character as similar to another one who did betray you as grounds for asserting suspicion that this one might as well. I'm saying that that is not a fair claim and is not, in fact, justified. We might disagree, and that's fine, but I know which stance anyone interested in a fair trial would stand with.

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The way you see him, he might as well have a halo over his head. You seem to be placing him on a high pedestal. You're basing your opinion of him as a fact.

No, I don't. I'd have thought I'd made that quite clear by now, but you seem to be ignoring anything I say that doesn't fit your interpretation of me... there's irony. I have openly acknowledged the elements that I was unaware of as being potentially problematic in the future, or possible warning flags; I have suggested ways that I could foresee him betraying the player character if it comes to it. I've have never once denied the possibility of him being darker than he presents, and I have never once claimed him to be in any way perfect or infallible... you're the one mapping that onto me, to make your argument. Don't do that; I don't appreciate it. There are elements of his characterisation that I don't care for - there's just fewer with him than any other. He is a deeply flawed character with a lot of baggage; something which I have acknowledged multiple times. What have I said, anywhere in this entire thread, that I have claimed as factual which has not been so? Feel free to point it out.

I've stated as opinion that I don't see anything genuinely suspicious about him so far that doesn't require mapping something external onto him from the viewer's side. I've stated as opinion that I don't feel that there are any legitimate grounds for suspicion against him, as of yet. I've asked others who do feel suspicious of him to tell me what factors make them feel so, and some folks have answered! That's great! More or less still not seeing it, I've asked people to explain why those things they point out make them suspicious - why they find them to be so - and I've not gotten any clear answers there, yet, beyond external references to other games, which I don't personally accept as legitimate in the context of this game, here and now. That's where we stand, as far as I know.

Okay, fair enough. Since you only want information about the possibility of Gale being not so good to come only from Baldur's Gate 3, a Forgotten Realm region and since BG3 is a DnD game, the only other source I can pick from is from the Forgetten Realms. Some may or may not know that there is a character by the name of Simbul who was also a chosen of the Goddess of Magic, Mystra. Simbul was one of the most powerful spellcasters in Faerun and a lover of Elminster. In her story, after an event where the weave collapsed, she was driven mad and the only way to keep her sanity was to consume enchanted items. That is a similarity with Gale.

Gale claims to have a bomb in his cheat that needs enchanted items to keep it at bay. He could very well be lying about the whole bomb situation, just to get those items. GM4Him meantioned Elminster, I don't know how well verse you are in DnD lore, but Elminster is a lover of Simbul (the woman that needs the enchanted items) and the Goddess Mystra. Elminster is also a chosen of Mystra and one of his traits is that he is also a trickster. Elminster is a very famous and powerful wizard, he's an Archwizard who just like Gale has rivals. He can also disguise himself. Elminster loves Mystra more than anything and will do anything for her. He was even driven to the brink of insanity when Mystra died and the weave collapsed. Other events have occurred and now she is back and Eliminster is back to normal. Now, Elminster arrived in Waterdeep in 1491 DR and Baldur's Gate 3 takes place in 1492 DR. Gale tells you he's from Waterdeep and is a chosen of Mystra, just like Elminster. You don't think there is a possibly that he could be deceiving you? That's what the whole point of our discussion has been but you don't like metacontext, so this is the best I can do to try to explain why some of use may be weary of Gale.