Originally Posted by PrivateRaccoon
Originally Posted by robertthebard
Baldur's Gate 2 was set in Athkatla. The only relation it had to BG 1 was tied to the characters from the first game, and that the main character was a Bhaalspawn. You could completely skip BG 1 to play BG 2, and I'd be willing to bet that more than a few people did just that. If WotC, or Hasbro thought Larian was walking all over their trademarks/IP, you can bet we'd know about it already. So what have you heard from either of them to indicate that they're abusing that trademark, or is this something that you're coming up with to justify your own perceptions of the game? Careful with this, because false copyright claims can land you in legal hot water just as fast as frivolous lawsuits about false advertising.

The discussion that started between me and Lady Avyna came with me claiming that larian wanted to use the BG trademark to attract potential players. Lady Avyna disregards that and claims the reason they chose to use Baldur's gate as the title for their game is because they wanted to make a game that somehow connects to previous games, even if it's only the city Baldur's Gate itself, henceforth the number 3 in the title. But those two reasons aren't mutually exclusive(sorry if that's the wrong phrasing). Ofc they need to have the game somehow connected to previous games, however frivolous, still the "3" in the title. I never claimed they wrongfully used the trademark, atleast that was not my intention. I claimed them using that trademark would attract fans of the series and set expectations, expectations they would be aware of, and according to my opinion purposefully didn't fulfill. I also admitted that they haven't broken any advertising law but that their marketing tactics still felt deceitful. There is nothing there that I have to be careful with.

It certainly got my attention. But this is where I'm disconnected from the "make it more 5e" crowd, the version of DnD makes no difference to me. The first act states quite clearly that we are headed to Baldur's Gate from where we landed, and so, I'm not overly fussed about that. There's enough speculation floating around the internet about potential characters from the series showing up that I'm curious. First, and foremost, however, I want this game to be every bit as good as it's predecessors were. Yes, I very much want to love this game. In EA, I have no idea of what's to come later, and frankly, I like it that way. I intentionally limit what I do in game now, in order to prevent burn out before full release, including ignoring it for months. I don't care, for example, that some updates require me to delete my previous saves, and I don't need a way to prevent an update from installing. I want to see systems, I'm not fussed about story. I haven't done a lot this update because my processor is on the fritz. I got a new one, but my MB doesn't support it, so I'm waiting for a new MB to come in, likely today, I hope...

The problem with expectations is that they're all over the place. There are some players that truly do expect a 1 to 1 conversion into 5e, and to whom no homebrew is acceptable. There are others that profess a lot of knowledge about DnD, 5e in particular, but don't know how some of the monsters actually work. Someone, for example, pointing to Phase Spiders "teleporting". So even when they're presented with things that are actually in the rules, they're screaming "but homebrew". It doesn't do a lot for their arguments.