And I apologise if I am being overly combative here, but having to always defend oneself against this strawman as soon as one brings up how BG would benefit from being more like 5e in any way is exhausting my patience. There's has been, since BG3 went into EA and joined these forums, maybe a single guy or two who has insisted that they want 5e exactly raw in every way, and I don't think either of them are still active here any more. They are certainly not representative of the forums enough to even matter in a generalisation of it. It only "seems like that's how it is here on the forums" to you because that's how you interpret it whenever somebody brings up 5e rules as a reference at all.
First all do NOT accuse me of doing something that I am not, just because I may be seeing something differently. This is one the biggest problems in these forums. Occasionally there will be people like you coming into forums to answer in a very combative way to the point that a moderator has to step in. It's impossible to come into these forums to have a cordial conversation or even a disagreement without someone insulting the other person. Please don't do that. If you disagree with something I said, that fine but don't accuse me of acting a certain way. I'm tired of people doing that in these forums because I don't do that to them.
This. As a moderator, I can with some authority confirm that this is the case, with knowledge that it's usually just natural human emotions distorting an underlying interest for improvements in a game they care about. So I don't typically read into it much, but there is a tendency for people to eventually get into extremes. And that's where I sometimes butt in, unless I see that people have resolved it already in conversation or reeled themselves in. Last thing I want to do is stifle genuine discussion and criticism (I have a bunch of criticisms and desires for change in some areas too! I'm here as a gamer, and moderator. I try my best to differentiate, but it's important to point out because lots of people see the color of a name before a person.)
I refer to a previous post of mine, albeit it it took two pages rather than halfways into the next page.
Originally Posted by The Composer
Originally Posted by Niara
At very best... at very best, what I can see in this statement that I could actually believe, is that they set out the rules for 5e On Paper, looked at them, and then said "Well, we can't do that and that with our engine, and the probably wouldn't be fun, I don't think, I want to do more than that... Let's do it our way, start with what we've got, and try to see how much of this 5e we can work in as we go." And all without much actual contact with playing 5e or D&D in general. .
This is closer to what I'd imagine too. Which isn't necessarly bad IMO. But now it's up to us to voice that feedback (and I've forwarded soooo much...) and hope that Larian comes to their senses and give it a practical shot. One of my top current examples being certain bonus actions that should be actions as per PHB, because the ripple effect is undermining the class fantasy and value of eg. Rogue.
But it helps to focus on that, rather than misquoting and rallying up anger about something that is a fading memory at best. I know you, and that you're not angry. But one post leads to another, and halfway through the next page it'd be spiraling the wrong way otherwise by someone else that has less control of temper.
