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1371-1372 comes from various sources in the game. I believe even the records you find on your way down into the Underdark give you an idea of when it all happened.

So Moonhaven was raised, it seems, when the Dark Justiciars raided it back in Uktar 1372.

It's also according to some documents found in the grove.

But honestly, I've had my doubts that Larian has had two groups working on this, neither realizing what the other is doing because some elements seem like Moonhaven was destroyed recently while others imply 120 years ago.

It's like Aradin and Halsin and their expedition. For the longest time I thought they'd only been gone maybe a week and the tieflings we're maybe in the Grove for a few weeks tops. Looking at the timeline in the different records (some you have to steal) you find out Halsin's been gone like a month and a half and the tieflings arrived two month ago.

But the temple is five minutes jog away! What the heck has Halsin and Aradin been doing for over a month and a half, and how were they NOT discovered until just before you show up at the Grove? A month and a half? Really? I had a hard time reconciling that one, creating for myself my own set of catacombs deep under the temple and somehow Aradin and his crew managed to slip in past the goblins and got lost in there for a month and a half, trapped in the nebulous catacombs I created in my mind hoping to find some secret path into the Underdark.

Honestly, it doesn't at all make sense. Even IF you pretend the temple is miles away, it shouldn't take them a month and a half.

So, I fear the same thing has happened with Moonhaven. Some group made it thinking it was destroyed recently and another that wrote the tomes and books thought it was destroyed during the Time of Troubles.

Tweaked the timeline. https://baldursgate3theafflicted.blogspot.com/2021/08/home.html

Changed the parts about Eliette being the apprentice and about the missing children. Want to make it as accurate as possible. Thanks for bringing some things to my attention.

It is pretty clear, now, that Eliette likely escaped drow captivity and made her way into the Whispering Depths on the night Ilyn Toth was killed during the Dark Justiciar raid on 20 Nightal 1372. As the apprentice was making his/her way into the Whispering Depths to retrieve the key gem, Eliette ran into them and killed them. She didn't know what the key gem went to, so that explains why the Necromancy of Thay was still locked away in the Necromancer's Lair. Eliette just kept the gem for herself, thinking it was nothing more than a pretty gemstone. The only two people who knew about the book were dead.

I think the 1371 date is coming from the book by Kagha next to the candles. It's called something like Logbook XII 1371. On the second page of the book, it mentions suspicion that a Red Wizard has moved into the nearby village. Three rangers were dispatched to investigate.

This all assumes the 1371 stamped on the book stands for the date and that the Red Wizard in question is the same one as the necromancer from the Blighted Village. But I think those are pretty good assumptions.

That would make Shadowheart pretty old now that you mention it. Half-elves don't live quite as long as I was thinking. Apparently about 180 years. It would mean she lived through the spell plague, which didn't happen until 1385.

Ah, but what of she'd died and was brought back to life? What if she is the Unclaimed as mentioned in the book in the Dank Crypt?

And there are other 1371-1372 sources, I'm almost positive.

That's a good point.

And the Unclaimed is something I've been wondering about also. The game makes a point of calling attention to the book. There's a clear correlation between the story and Shadowheart.

I'm going to try to make a point of carefully going through the books on my next playthrough.

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Speaking of books, I'm pretty sure there's one in the Druid's Grove (in Nettie's area) that says something about Ketheric's shade being laid to rest and his glaive having been recovered. The glaive being Sorrow, of course.

The implication being that Ketheric is dead.

Of course, I feel like we have reason to believe Ketheric is one of the chosen of the Absolute. Where is that coming from? Is it supposition, something that was datamined, or maybe given in a clue somewhere?

I don't think there's anything special about that spider egg in the Harper camp. Other than as a resource/limited use item.

You know that if you

There seems to have been a certain change with the village at some point in the development of the game.
Most likely they forgot to change / remove some outdated parts. It's nothing unusual. The night song was also changed (probably twice, but I'm not sure here)
The question is which option is valid. Anyone know if information about the village was added in some patch?

The books and such have been there since the beginning.

The village doesn't seem like it's 120 years old and abandoned, though, does it?

But I can't deny the logbook by Kagha with the 1371 stamp mentioning the Red Wizard.

1371 confirmed again.

The dark journal that belongs to Ilyn Toth is dated 1371 DR. It's the journal you find in the coffin before you get to the mirror.

Whatever happened in the Blighted Village happened about 120 years ago. Long time.

I tried to rush through things this time to test a few things, and find these books with dates you're mentioning. First, going to Nere before meeting Minthara doesn't give you much (any) information about the lantern like I was hoping, she doesn't give anything up before the grove is destroyed, I'll have to go through an evil playthrough to see if there's anything there.

Second, Non-Lolthsworn, Drow infiltrated Grymforge, unless I'm understanding it wrong, the lore around having red-eyes is new to me or forgotten anyway. We have a new group of actors maybe.

Nere says the General (Thorm apparently) is interested in the temple because his necromancer Balthazar-- something something. From what I'm hearing from you guys, his pact with Shar probably had to do with bringing back from the dead someone he lost, and maybe Shadowheart is involved.

New name Disciple Z'rell, according to Thrinn, Z'rell is the absolute's favorite and speaks with general.

I found the 1371 logbook, I'd probably read it before, but I wasn't %100 if the 'group from Baldur's Gate' was supposed to be Justiciars/Sharrans. I also think the necromancer could have been living in the village for a while, at least a few years. Though Thorms subversion of the Temple probably went on for a much longer time before that.

I couldn't find anything else with 1371, I also remember there being more books in the druids inner room, maybe not.

Edit: I'll have to look again at Ilyn's journal.

I might be wrong, but from what I remember, Halsin felt responsible for Thorm's fall.
If I remember exactly, it was mentioned in the older patches that Halsin killed Thorm's daughter.
I also remember that at some point they removed this entry, but I won't give a head for it
Thorm's daughter was probably Isobel. I also practically sure that Larian changed the roles of this character several times.

If Moonhavean was destroyed more than 120 years ago, it doesn't make sense for Shadowheart to have a connection to this place (she certainly doesn't look like someone who is around 130 even for a half-elf)

Unless she died, was the Unclaimed, and got resurrected.

You know, that could be why she's wearing Dark Justiciar-like armor in the beginning. If she was wearing it when she died, and just recently got resurrected...

As for the General being Thorm, there is a defaced statue of Shar in Grymforge. Someone defaced it with the symbol of the Absolute. It implies Shar and the Absolute are not allies. So the General is likely not a Paladin of Shar like Thorm. I mean, like Minthara, he could have turned from Shar, but I doubt it.

Thorm, if I remember correctly, died during the conflict with Roa 120 years in the past. He could be resurrected, of course, like my theory about SH, but it didn't seem like that to me.

Was that what you meant to post?

The Absolute was the Unclaimed.

That's why the Absolute is at odds with Shar.

We see a similarity between Shadowheart and the Unclaimed for a storytelling reason in that regard. It showcases how Shar treats her followers and gives us some small insight into the Absolute's history. It also creates more drama for Shadowheart, who will be either fighting or joining this tragic figure turned monster.

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But how did the Unclaimed turn into the Absolute?

This is all guesswork, of course, but is it possible that the dead three claimed her? Myrkul, Bane, and Bhaal? And that's why we notice their symbols within all things Absolute.

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What does this have to do with Gith, Mind Flayers, and Cambions? I'm not sure yet.

I need to go back through Grymforge carefully.

The way I understand it, Lolthsworn are the only drow with red eyes now.

Does it say somewhere in Grymforge that drow without red eyes infiltrated Grymforge?


I'm not sure I'm fully on board with this theory. I'm not actively against it, of course. I just ... I need to find some kind of support for Thorm still being alive. Rhobar121 says there was some mention of Halsin having killed Thorm's daughter, but I'm not sure where that is in the game or if it's even still in, so it leaves me uncertain.


I believe the name Z'rell is also mentioned in the note under the waterfall outside the goblin camp.



I don't remember this, but I'd love to find out more about it.


Who is Isobel?

Nope. Phone glitch.

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All these things imply 1371-1372 when Moonhaven existed.

There are more, but I don't have them handy. I'll add more later.

Regarding "Strange Riders in these parts", Elturgard was only founded sometime in the first half of 1400s, it didn't exist yet in 1385... So it seems like Moonhaven was around still after 1385..

Check out Chubblot patch 5 narrator's voice line video, around 39:25, you'll get your answer.
Throm's daughter(apparently). We don't know how the storyline has been updated. It might get changed.

That's more likely to be an oversight in my opinion. Elturel and the Hellriders and their patrols along the Chiontar predate Elturgard by decades, far into the 14th century. I don't have a hard time imagining it easy to get Elturel the city-state and Elturgard the 15th century country with Elturel as it's capital confused.


Not a particularly definitive answer though