Originally Posted by Dagless
Originally Posted by Soul-Scar
[quote=Dagless]

No it was an attempt at a insult "your brain cannot figure out" followed by a deliberate misinterpretation of what I said creating a strawman. Then preceeded to argue against said strawman. How does describing 5 backstories as "fantastical" therefore not believable in the setting translated into "my brain dumb"? You are arguing semantics on the back of the same strawman argument. Arguing on the back of something I never actually said.

I agree the story isn't complete and as such maybe fragmented in a way that makes it unbelievable. If for example there is a prologue explaining why these 6 very specific esoteric people were "chosen" etc. and this is why they were on the ship, then sure it would make more sense. However their individual predicaments like Gale the godlaying magic bomb etc. etc. Is still a difficult swallow. It is the problem created when you feel the need to create 5-6 origin stories and hamstring them into an already complex plot. You as the player are not eased into the plot, you basically have it rammed down your thoat all at once.

Example, you are on the nautiloid and kill your way to the helm, kill all the stuff and hit the warp button. Why did the nautiloid warp to a palce you just so happened to need to be? Was it random? Did the mindflayer give the co-ords? Was it on purpose? If so why not take you to moonrise towers or something? DON'T KNOW!! If it is random then that is a mighty coincidence that you dropped out where a bunch of others with magic tadpoles were. Just outside a grove where a druid just found someone with your exact condition and has a history that suits the main plot....The nautiloid can travel between realities, even the hells yet you were plopped out right where you needed to be. Seriously? So it is only my opinion that this is bad writing? This is 5 minutes into the game.

At no point did I say or even suggest nobody else should like it.

Strangely it tends to rub people the wrong way if you claim something they like is bad, not just as your opinion, but as an objective fact. If I said I didn’t care much for BG 1 & 2, I could expect fans of the originals to tell me they think I’m wrong. If I said the story, characters and gameplay are objectively a bag of shite, what do you think the reaction would be?

The description of the characters was about how these people might all have been together (TBD), which you appeared to object to. And wouldn’t explaining this in a prologue mean having even more plot “rammed down your throat all at once”?

Yes, it’s your opinion. I have no problem with your opinion, and don’t even disagree with all of it. Still an opinion though.

In my opinion the actual game doesn’t do that bad a job of revealing the start of the origin characters stories. It happens over several night’s rest. The problem for me is that we know this already from what was released prior to starting the game. Descriptions on the wiki etc could have been vaguer, but it’s a bit late now.

I like cheesy 80's horror movies, not because they have a good story or good acting, I just like them. Because you like something doesn't mean it is good. Because someone tells me these movies suck I don't get defensive about it, they are objectively bad, unnecessarily so in most cases. I am not going to deny the reality these movies are low budget trash with bit part B actors because I like them. I don't like them any less because most people see them as garbage.

Not everything is opinion. If it was "objective" wouldn't be a word. However, if admitting that holding the writing of BG 3 to a standard and therefore coming to, what I believe is an objective conclusion free of bias is indeed my opinion then so be it. I am not trying to be right, I am trying to be objective. Telling someone they are amazing when they are in fact shite does them no favors. Tough love, that's all.