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Originally Posted by JandK
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Why is it different ? It's exactly the same to me.
A convenient magical runes that allow you to go where you want and when you want even if there are no pathes (or if you haven't found one yet).

If they can teleport through the Netherese waypoint to the forge, why couldn't they to the surface or anywhere else ?
Don't get me wrong, I agree that we probably shouldn't be able to teleport so easily to the surface when we're in the underdark. But in my opinion it doesn't make more sense that we teleport to cross walls / lava / obstacles.

So the way I understand it is that you have to actually walk through one portal to come out of another portal. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I think it works.

If you're in the underdark after jumping down a hole, and you don't have another portal in front of you yet (meaning you haven't found an underdark waypoint yet), you can still portal back up to the surface via fast travel. That shouldn't technically be possible if you don't have a way to get to a waypoint to walk through it to come out at another waypoint.

That's why I think it's a mistake.

Just to be sure I understand you well and to think a bit more about it (it gives me an idea of suggestion because you had a good point imo).

According to you, fast travelling mean that your characters have "walked" to the closest waypoint to teleport to another one ?

But what would it mean in my exemple ?
Lae'zel has found a way to go to the forge waypoint but other's haven't.
Does that mean that they found a way I haven't ? (I trust you and Rag' but was really sure they weren't any other, I really search for 30 minutes)
Or that they took the boat back to the beach waypoint to reach the forge one ?

In your exemple, what would be the prerequisite to be able to teleport from the underdark to the surface when you jumped into the matriarch's lair hole ?
To get out by the swamp teleport / the zentharim lair or the goblins camp ? (Can we open the door to reach the goblin's camp from the underdark if we haven't solved the puzzle to open it ?)

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Originally Posted by mrfuji3
Originally Posted by JandK
That's the function they serve. It's not just a video game conceit; it's an actual portal that connects to other portals, but only when you (or at least one person in your party) knows where they are. Why does it work that way? I don't know, it's magic. This is a fantasy game.
But aren't the netherese portals just a "video game conceit", actually? Right now, only the PCs (including companions) even notice these portals, let alone use them. Why don't the tieflings use them to travel? Why don't the druids use them to aid in bringing back forage? Why doesn't Minthara (a True Soul, if you want to claim that only those with tadpoles can use these portals) use them for hit-and-run tactics? They seem to exist just for player convenience, and thus are closer to an out-of-game-world mechanic than a true part of the world.

Yep this is the problem. If they want to create an immersive world, Larian need to start thinking about these things instead of just going "hurr-durr fun magic portals in the wilderness everywhere" without a care.

These portals are bad even mechanically since they let you cheat and access them from places where you couldn't. This cheaty teleport ruined my excitement in the Underdark completely when I realized I can just teleport to safety whenever I want even though I have no idea where I was or how to get back to the surface.

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As far as I've found there are only two ways to get to the forge area, the jump near the Thrinn area, and jumping down from the metal walkway. I'm not a great platformer to be sure, but one way guarantee's someone is left behind to work the moving platform controls and the other has an athletics barrier that also means not everyone could make it, so the only sure way to bring the whole party into the forge area Edit: (At one time) is through the pseudo-canon portal. And I maybe the only way to return to the first area is through the jump.

This particular fast-travel 'cheat' also bothered me so I spent some time trying to figure out the "right" way to get there without success.

I was doing this as a low str halfling so my take might not be the best.

If it weren't for the fight that the metal walkway leads to I guess both methods make for a viable way to get everyone into the forge area.

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Originally Posted by Sozz
As far as I've found there are only two ways to get to the forge area, the jump near the Thrinn area, and jumping down from the metal walkway. I'm not a great platformer to be sure, but one way guarantee's someone is left behind to work the moving platform controls and the other has an athletics barrier that also means not everyone could make it, so the only sure way to bring the whole party into the forge area Edit: (At one time) is through the pseudo-canon portal. And I maybe the only way to return to the first area is through the jump.

This particular fast-travel 'cheat' also bothered me so I spent some time trying to figure out the "right" way to get there without success.

I was doing this as a low str halfling so my take might not be the best.

If it weren't for the fight that the metal walkway leads to I guess both methods make for a viable way to get everyone into the forge area.

As a mostly unrelated issue, I'm kind of upset that mage hand can't operate the platform controls. That's exactly the sort of thing mage hand should be used for.

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I've had the same thought. From what I can recall, mage hand doesn't do any of the interactions, like "use" you'd think it would.

Here's a recent feedback thread saying as much Mage Hand

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On the other hand tho ...
It would hardly be "lost for decades" if there was clear and clean path leading right to it. :-/

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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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