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What's the difference?

This is something I've thought about also.

One thing that stood out to me was the idea that the characters in that story felt like my companions. One pale, for instance, with sharp teeth. Obviously made me think of Astarion. But I don't recall the wording exactly. It's something I'll have to go back and look at.

I really wish the texts of these books in the game were available somewhere online. I hate having to load the game and go somewhere to read the book. Especially having to go to the Arcane Tower. There's no close waypoint for that location, and I hate having to make that side jump from Selune's Temple.


Sure.

I just like having a rough idea, in general. Something to ballpark, and I don't mind playing a little loose with the date until there's a need for more precision.

But if it matters, I'll try to say 12 instead of 10.



It's a good question.

The best answer I have for you is that this is the way stories tend to work. There's connective tissue built throughout. Within mysteries, one searches for clues here and there, looking feverishly for what will one day feel obvious in hindsight.

Sure, these things could be completely unrelated. But I don't think it's a big leap to say that groundbreaking research into an anti-magical flower might have some connection to a stasis field that's impacting the main characters in a story, especially when all of these events are so provincially linked.

It seems I have missed some of the books. I always thought it was the bulette that was her undoing. Reading all this, it's probably wrong. Interesting.

It's not about you guys rounding to 10. The journal says about ten years ago, but then gives the 1481 date. It's minor, but why not just say about twelve instead of ten in the journal?

As far as the bulette, it still could have killed her. She visits the grave of the dog either before or after her visit, out pops the bulette, Lenore dies.

If it hadn't seen her in a year... And her book said she did not expect to return for at least 10 months.

When you're building a timeline, it matters. 😁

Shrug. Maybe the writer rounded to 10 also.


Yeah, and maybe she blew up in a patch of bibbering bibberbang. Who knows?

I just don't think it's likely. If the game wanted us to believe that then there'd be some remnant of Lenore inside the bulette.

As it is, the game wants us to know that Lenore was doing important research into Sussur blooms and then got called away to an important meeting where she was going to reveal some of her findings.

What's more likely? That we're going to learn more when we get to BG about Lenore and her research and how it was used in a way that impacts the plot we're dealing with... or that Lenore happened to trip and fall and break her head, oopsy, fun tower though?

Follow the breadcrumbs.

Stories aren't real life, very rarely do things happen just because, and more rarely do things happen 'just because' without the game spelling it out for you. Without any evidence to the contrary we should assume that Lenore made her way to BG, fate unknown. What again is the loot you find in the Bulette? And does Lenore's staff of arcane blessing make her a cleric of Mystra? I remember bringing Gale along hoping he'd have some insight, but I don't think he said anything.

Back on the play. There's another play you can find around that is comically lurid, the playwright of that play also did an interview you can find, the interviewer surmises, because the play is so terrible but is find such success, that the heretofore failed playwright sold his soul to a devil, to turn his play into a hit, there might have been something else there that led me to believe the devil in question was Raphael.
That's a long walk for me to float the theory that Raphael either wrote the play you find in the tower or influence the playwright as a way of foreshadowing the events we are playing now. Raphael is based in BG, possibly in the theatre district (if it has one), he certainly likes to be theatrical.

Lenore says herself that she is a cleric of Mystra in her diary.

There's a half-eaten gnome in the area, one that the insane drow guy apparently was fed when he was nursed back to health by his 'friends'. That could be her. But it would have to be relatively new. On the other hand the stuff with the three drow seems like it's written as having happened quite some time in the past (the deal with the memory stone fading, for instance) The timeline of a lot of the stuff in the underdark seems a bit confusing to me, to be honest.

We know Lenore's stature based on how the robot hugs you (taller than a halfling I think) but I can't really remember now.

I hadn't remembered that in the diary, I should just play the tower again I guess.

Building a time frame has been difficult, both on the surface and in the underdark.

We know that Lenore left her tower somewhere around 11 years ago.

We know that whatever happened at the Blighted Village happened about 120 years ago.

I think these are our two key time frames.

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So I would guess that the Sharrans were occupying the Grymforge area around that time (120 years ago), but something attacked them. Something large and specifically from the hells.

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But I don't think we have reason to believe the Sharrans built the Grymforge area. Sounds to me like they just took it over when they found it.

Meaning it predates the Sharrans, but I don't think we have any evidence as to who built it originally.

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Regarding the Shadow Cursed lands... I feel like that probably happened in the time of Ketheric, right? Which would have put it in that 120 or so years ago time frame.

There's a note on the Druid table in the grove that speculates about the Shadow Curse, suggesting that it was probably created by a deity, and most likely by Shar herself.

So. Maybe something from the hells attacked Shar's base of worship and in retaliation, Shar unleashed the Shadow Curse. Maybe to trap whatever demonic force attacked her followers?

--whatever event this was, it has to have something to do with the birth of the Absolute. Doesn't it?

--so my rough theory is that, for some reason, the Absolute attacked Shar about 120 years ago. In return, Shar unleashed the Shadow Curse. And that's been holding the Absolute back somewhat?

--now, with Lenore's groundbreaking research at hand (which started just over 10 years ago), something new is happening, and whatever that is, it has to do with the PCs and the tadpoles.

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Something I want to point out about the dream persona versus the tadpole.

In another thread, I suggested that I didn't think they were the same entity. I feel like a lot of people take it for granted that they're the same, the tadpole and the dream figure.

I'm not so sure.

For one, you still have the dreams even if you wear the Psionic Protection ring.

Besides that, the dialogue gives me the impression that the dream figure and the tadpole are actually at odds, as if the tadpole were trying to influence you to hurt the dream person.

And finally, when the dream persona shows you what is to come, what do we really see?

We see Tav fight an armored figure. Is this the same armored figure as one of the Abolute's Chosen? The armor looks admittedly less stylized, but very much the same otherwise, including the purplish color choice underneath. And as far as overlooking a burning Baldur's Gate, nothing says Tav created that. Shadowheart suggests that she was the conqueror in her dream, but all we know from Tav's dream is that he sees the city burning. For all we know, he's there to save it.

It's true, halflings cannot get robot hugs. It is a sadness.

I suspect the drow memory shard stuff predates the 120 years ago mark, but I can't be sure. It's a shame they don't let us ask Dhourn what year he's from.

Regardless, I'm not convinced that the time of Dhourn, Xargrim, and Filro are all that important to the big narrative. These are minor figures who sought to rediscover the Grymforge, and probably failed to do so some time before the Sharrans took the area over.

Just my guess right now though, based on the little we have to work with.

Timeline of Events

It doesn't help that many events and characters are still under revision

Let me apologize beforehand.

Would you like a hug?

Yes, please.

Come here....

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reviewing a video, a elf or half-elf (it's hard to tell) is slightly too tall for a hug, so...Lenore is human? Or and Elf. We had it out in the above thread how elves are percieved to be taller than humans but are actually shorter on average...so I don't know.

Tiefling is also ruled out and too tall.

Are we joking about the hug determining Lenore's race?

Consider how big Halsin is compared to a PC elf druid.

We're in early access. Cut scenes still need work, character race sizes may shift within margins. I think we should be careful about letting those things impact theories.

If you play a human the hug happens without comment, from what I remember

I mean, mechanophiles need (machine-based)love too. Some of them haven't had a decent companion option for that since ChronoTrigger.

Though it might be considered dubious non-consent since, if he can be considered to have a budding sentience, then he also believes that you're someone else... Hmm...