Originally Posted by RutgerF
First goes into Invisibility, runs towards Lae'zel and shoves her into the lava. Oh bugger - she was too far away from it, and didn't quite make it there.
No worries, second Duergar repeats the same process, and now Lae'zel successfully lands into the lava. Insta-death.

As of now, the action economy allows them to do that in a single turn, and Shove being guaranteed if executed by an unseen character doesn't improve my survivability either. If Shove will ever become a full Action, they will only have to change their tactics slightly - everyone goes to Invisibility on their first turns, then on the next come Shoves aplenty. And what countermeasures I have against invisible enemies? Bupkis. In BG2, Glitterdust worked wonders in such scenarios, but we don't have it here.
Its cute that you are dementing your own example ...
But exactly as you said ... there is zero relation to potion throwing, so ... w/e i gues. laugh

Originally Posted by RutgerF
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Dont be mad at me, if you have any other scenario in mind, please share ...
Even so amazing and flawless (kidding) creature like me can potentialy make misstake, so its possible that i forget something. smile
But right now ... no matter wich side im watching it ... it seems to me like throwing potion would be the most uneffective thing you could do in combat, IF at least Larian would delete that part where potions have effect if they miss ... after all, that hit chance is in fact substitute for catching roll. laugh
When your party is outnumbered like 12:4, your best option is to find a terrain chokepoint, use it as a force multiplier (same as the famous battle at Thermopylae) and concentrate on one enemy at a time (because, obviously, a Duergar with 1hp left hits just as hard as one with full hp). Current implementation of potion throwing severely disrupts this strategy, so it's not as daft as it looks.
Same as abowe ...
I mean yes chokepoints was indeed often used scenarios in many military situations in our world ... but i see no relation to that suggestion i posted. O_o
So ... no idea what were you trying to say here. :-/

Originally Posted by RutgerF
do you have examples?
Sure, several ... smile
So the question was wich spells can be casted only by caster and not by any scroll or potion right?
(Yes im purposely ignoring Magical Artefacts that allows us to cast spell once per Long Rest.)

https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Dancing+Lights
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Eldritch+Blast
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Friends
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Shillelagh
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Thaumaturgy
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Thorn+Whip
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Burning+Hands (Not sure here ... but i dont think i have seen scroll, could be misstaken tho)
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Dissonant+Whispers
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Faerie+Fire
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Hail+of+Thorns
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Hellish+Rebuke
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Tasha's+Hideous+Laughter
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Thunderwave
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Cloud+of+Daggers
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Darkness
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Crown+of+Madness
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Darkvision
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Enlarge+-+Reduce
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Enhance+Ability
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Heat+Metal (I believe i have seen this one in previous patch, but not anymore)
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Moonbeam
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Pass+without+Trace
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Protection+from+Poison
https://baldursgate3.wiki.fextralife.com/Shatter

Is that example enough? laugh
Also note that every single scroll that is in game can be easily added to this list with condition "upcasted" since scrolls (as far as i know) contain only lowest possible spell level. wink

Originally Posted by RutgerF
One little problem, however: practically all Cleric's buffs require concentration, and they can't concentrate on more than 1 spell at a time. If I find Shadowheart in a bit of a fix, and decide to put on Shield Of Faith - here goes my Bless for the rest of the party.
Therefore you should not do that. laugh
Also this "problem" for lack of better therm ... is part if Cleric design from WotC ... that is not something we should blame Larian for ... therefore its not quite relevant for both this forum and this topic talking about potions. laugh

Originally Posted by RutgerF
Also, did Larian fix it, or does Cleric still lose concentration on any surface damage, without a DC roll? I remember seeing Lae'zel rolling DC for her Shield Of Faith, but don't remember about Cleric.
As far as i know they are rolling ...
Most people complain however on the fact that they are forced to roll a lot more often than in tabletop.

Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 01/12/21 06:52 PM.

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown