Please don't tell me my opinion is invalid.
I didnt, i was just pointing out that it is only an opinion.
And just because WotC and whoever put their stamp of approval on it, that doesn't mean that it is the same game that they said it was going to be.
That is exactly the thing ... they didnt.
Steam clearly says that BG3 is "based on D&D 5e."
Exactly ... "based" ... that is important word here.
Also Steam is completely different company, they only care about you buying stuff from there ... they dont care what kind of stuff it is, or if they are advertising properly, as long as you pay and dont refund.
If someone said, "We're going to play a game, and it's based on American Football," and I showed up to the field and found a bunch of people with a round ball and soccer shoes on with shorts and t-shirts and goal posts, I'd be like, "What the heck is this? I thought we were going to play some American football."
Maybe ...
And then they would probably say something like "this is what we play, take it or leave it" ... world can be harsh. O_o
The problem is that quote i posted earlier ...
No matter how much you dislike it, they made it pretty clear ... its not their fault you didnt listen. :-/
If they respond with, "We said it would be based on American Football. We didn't say it WAS American Football," that would be totally misleading and would be upsetting
And also totally true.
especially if I showed up in my heavy American Football gear complete with armored shoulder pads, helmet, mouthpiece, breastplate, groin cup, etc. Those European Football players are going to be a whole lot faster on their feet than I would in my heavy gear. I'd be very ill equipped or prepared to play their version of football.
And you are trying to say what exactly here?
That its their fault, that you run for all your gear while they were explaining all those things you "never had the time to listen"? O_o
Or that they all have to submit to what YOU wanna play? Gosh imagine such world. :-/ Horrible.
If they had told me that, then I'd have no issue whatsoever with this game.
Oh then you would have time to listen?
If up front they had said, "this is a blending of DOS and D&D 5e,"
But it isnt ...
So that would be the lie you are acusing them from ... thats really fascinating btw.
And you can quote all those interviews all you like. That's not what they put on the descriptions of the game and not what all the media was advertising.
And what those interviews were, if not advertising?
I would really want to know.
I mean if you refuse to listen to actual developer team leader, and you are listening to some 3rd side companies who just want to sell you some product and dont care at all (on the contrary to that developer) if the product will be satisfying or sucessfull for you ...
I think i have just found the core of your problem and once again, its not Larian fault. :-/
I didn't watch all their interviews. Never had the time.
Well, bad luck for you i gues that you buyed something without knowing what it is ...
Funny fact: You didnt have to watch "all" of them ... "any" of them would be enough, since Swen keeps repeating it since their AMA on Reddit.
I trusted the descriptions of the game provided by Steam and different media articles that were written to promote the game. Everyone everywhere was saying, "based on D&D 5e" and "At last, a true video game interpretation of D&D 5e."
"Everyone everywhere" ... while nobody (except you) never seen any of them ... and nobory (including you) was ever able to show here at least one of them?
I must admit i would expect it to be a little more known if there was so much of them.
Try not blame me ...
But its hard to believe you, since you are unable to support your opinion with anything else than "i thought this mean" ... yes you thought, and you thought wrong ... that happens even if its (how is the expression? hard pill to swallow i believe).
And, finally, the point I'm trying to make is that this game in no way feels like D&D, yet that was even what Swen said they were trying to create. "We want to have that Dungeons & Dragons feeling." This does not feel like D&D. That's the point.
This is first sentence i kinda like in this post ... except seems like reasonable feedback.
Except i have seen in other topic (and posts) what would you like to change to achieve that and it seems to me like sumarize it with single word would be: Everything.
Im affraid that is not going to happen.
I also do not want them to slavishly obey every single D&D 5e rule. If it doesn't make sense, don't use it. Fine. I'm good with that.
Serious question: "doesn't make sense" to whom?
And how is he going to decide that?
But, again, when the homebrew steers so much from the original rules that you are no longer playing a game even closely resembling the original rules, THAT is what I have an issue with.
But are you able to draw a line?
So far i didnt seen it ...
Speaking for myself on THIS particular topic ...
- I would certainly not change spells they should stay as RAW as possible. (Chromatic orb, Elemental Arrows, Cantrips, but also reactions)
- I would certainly not incerase HP of creatures manualy, instead if i find combat too easy i would simply add another creature. (Githyanki patrol, Halsin, ...)
- I would certainly not allow everyone to use everything (not just scrolls, but also weapons and throwable items ...)
- And finaly i would certanly not strip certain classes from stuff they are suppose to know.
But abowe that? Most things seems quite fine to me.
Or at least i cant think off anything else.
So claiming that game that would need so little changes "dont feels like DnD at all" seems quite harsh to me ... not like actualy objective criticism, more like upset complaining, while blood is still hot and person is just kicking around without true purpose. :-/
Classes are stripped of just about any purpose.
And back to angry kicking ...
They are not "stripped of just about any purpose" ... the differences between classes are a little more blurry right now, that is true ... but there still are differences, sometimes big sometimes smaller ...
But if you wish to claim to me that you are able to create single class that is able to do everything the other class can do without any special threatment ... please tell me your example.
I will then show you where you are wrong.
Monsters are stripped of their typical abilities and stats.
You mean litteraly two monsters?
Imps and Phase Spiders?
While Imps were purposely nerfed by Larian bcs they find out of their gathered data that Imps were too strong for tutorial?
Now you demand to return them back to their strong version to achieve ... what exactly? Except pleasing you specificaly.
And Phase Spiders ...
Yes i know you are upset they are spiting poison, yes i agree they would be much better enemies if they would attack with bite instead ... but where is difference between them misty step towards you ... and them dissapearing to another plane of existence and then reappear next to you?
Also note that might easily be just placeholder, we dont know.
Items reign supreme, and surfaces.
Yeah surfaces are kinda Larian thing, we all know that by now ...
It could be done better, true ... i myself posted few suggestions while i still believe that toggable button, just like metamagic would be the best.
But they are not giving up on them completely.
About items ...
I just have to ask: How is the fact that items are superimportant "nod DnD" ? O_o
The game looks like D&D, and the story is Forgotten Realms, but it in NO way FEELS like D&D.
Yup ... yup ... nope ... sory.
It feels like something else entirely.
Cant say it does to me. O_o
You know what game FEELS like D&D? Pathfinder. Solasta. Those FEEL like D&D.
Yup ... and we allready have them. :-/
Personaly i dont need another Solasta i allready have it ... now i want BG-3 ... not Solasta 2 made by Larian. O_o
I thought you also want BG-3 and not DoS-3 ... so you should understand this.
I want BG3 to FEEL like D&D also, and I'm saying that until they start really implementing more true 5e rules
This is fine in my eyes ... that is what this forum is for ...
Claiming that they lied to you is not ... especialy since they didnt and you should know that.
