Originally Posted by Leucrotta
Originally Posted by ldo58
But why were the acolytes of True Soul Edowyn ordered to kill everyone, including true souls, that escaped from the crashed ship ?
Doesn't that mean that there was something special going on in this ship, which was menacing to the absolute. Different tadpoles.

The ship was going to Moonrise towers. There was some dialogue added in some of the later patches for party members where they make the connection between the True Souls, Mindflayers, and the pary and conclude that the only thing seperating them from being Like Glut or Minthara was that the ship crashed before it arrived and their conversion wass complete.

Originally Posted by GM4Him
Guys. The main party is different than other True Souls. It's said multiple times. The main characters have slipped their chain. Is it because of the goth weapon? Kinda seems like it could be.


It's because we aren't controlled. That's the distinction. There's nothing at all indicating our tadpoles are any different than the ones the True Souls have-and thus no explanation to why our tadpoles can't be removed after character death.

Originally Posted by GM4Him
But give Larian some slack. This is EA. You shouldn't know everything by the end of it. You should know practically nothing. The art of good storytelling is to hook the audience and keep them hooked one mystery at a time. You don't reveal all the secrets in the first 25% of the story. Of course it's going to seem like plot holes at this point. You have no idea what is coming.

Now, if by the end they haven't wrapped up the plot holes, THEN we can criticize. But until then, you have no idea what is an actual plot hole.

Why comment at all then? Seems like an uneven standard if you are suggesting criticism specifically should be verboten. You yourself don't seem to have a problem speculating and extrapolating on game plot elements of this unfinished product, IMO it is unreasonable to expect others to hold their tongues.

Besides, this is EA, and we are on the 'Suggestions and Feedback' forum. This is *the* time and place for discussions like this.

I'm referring to judging the game's story and saying it's full of plot holes when we only know 25% of the story. I mean, you can certainly do that, but it's premature, don't you think?

It's like watching 15 minutes of Star Wars and critiquing the plot of the movie and saying it doesn't make any sense. You don't know what they have planned for the tadpoles in the main character. That's my point. We can speculate and guess, but until we get more game, I just think it's a bit harsh to start saying the story has a bunch of plot holes.

Now, if you were to say, "Wait. My MC helping Minthara slaughter the Grove makes no sense. That's odd. She literally gives me no clear motivation." That is critiquing something that we have a full and complete picture on. Or, if you said, "Halsin and Aradin and company were gone for over a month and a half doing what exactly in that temple ruins 5 minutes jog away?" That is also a solid critique because we should be given all the data for that but we aren't and it makes no sense. Were the goblins there prior to the adventurers' arrival? After? Were they studying the sealed door when the goblins showed up so they became trapped down there? After all, Brian's notes imply he was actually in the chamber. If so, did they literally sneak in past Gut and her female ogre guardian or were they down there already? That's a substantial feat to sneak past them because DANG, right past Gut's room?

Why does Minthara think Aradin and his companions have the weapon? If you visit her after talking to Nere, she makes it clear she thought Aradin's crew had the weapon and stole it and are hiding in the Grove. Why? Wasn't it on the ship?

These are things that don't make sense, but they are all contained within EA. Once you leave EA, these things most likely won't come up again, so by the end of EA, they should be clear and make sense,

What I'm saying is, yes, if it is a story element that isn't going to be a continuing part of the overall story, by all means it should make total sense by end of EA. But I don't think we should understand the full measure of the tadpoles and such until way later.

That said, IF they are just doing crap for video game purposes and offering weak excuses to try to make it work, then I am absolutely against that. If they legit don't have an explanation that is truly valid for Gale's resurrection bit, or why when we die our tadpoles don't run off, then yeah, that sucks and they need to either fix it or chuck it.

And keep in mind, no one is an expert with these tadpoles. Omeluum is also just guessing. So is Ethel, and Gut and Minthara and Ragzlin are utterly deceived. Gut doesn't even realize she is infected. So just because an explanation of any kind is offered, it doesn't mean it's true. Just because your characters speculate that their tadpoles are no different than Gut's and such, doesn't mean they aren't, in fact, special. If they weren't really special, then why is the Dream Lover ONLY messing with you and yours? Why is Raphael ONLY after you and yours?