Honestly, I highly doubt that there is any political reason behind that. They probably just haven't thought about it, or have decided that they are not putting it in because they put their resources into the rest of the game.
Where is the fun if its legalized? I personally think this is too old stuff. Sex stuff never gets old, you always get some action if you say Girls Butt is too big, etc.
If I was Larian. I would remove Wine and put her hard on her leg.
Give it a few years and you will soon see that legalized weed will come under control of the big agricultural companies (Monsanto, etc.) who will then use their lawyers to criminalize local growers ... home grown won't be able to meet the federal safety standards and FDA approvals, etc., and will otherwise be taxed out the wazoo. You will have to buy it from the big corps. Just look at tobacco, have you ever bought any from a home grower?
"Selling or even trading any quantity of homegrown tobacco is much more complex. As soon as a grower sells dried tobacco leaves, cigarettes or any other product, that grower becomes a marketer. According to federal law, all marketers must pay tax on their sales. Penalties for non-payment of taxes can be extremely stiff."
As far as BG III goes, I could go for a a scene with a hookah, but I don't care exactly what is burning inside.
Ragitsu is right. There is no direct analogue of cannabis in the Forgotten Realms setting. Most of the drugs in the setting are powders (dreammist, traveler dust), tablets (haunspeir), pastes applied to the skin (dragon skin, chaunsel) and injections (tansabra). So yeah, no smoking drugs. This is more about the Katapesh of the Pathfinder.
Ragitsu is right. There is no direct analogue of cannabis in the Forgotten Realms setting. Most of the drugs in the setting are powders (dreammist, traveler dust), tablets (haunspeir), pastes applied to the skin (dragon skin, chaunsel) and injections (tansabra). So yeah, no smoking drugs. This is more about the Katapesh of the Pathfinder.
To some extent, I think some characters over imbibe in alcohol. But I guess when you have a tadpole in your head, you do need to de-stress. I wonder if it can get drunk.
As far as cannabis goes, I guess it depends on the physiology of the character in question. Potions might work better, but for example, Halflings have a particularly intoxicating kind of cheese which is highly addictive, and elves might not be affected by certain things.
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
In our society, marijuana has long been legalized in a number of countries such as Canada, the USA, some European countries, and so on.
Would it be possible not to drink wine in the romantic scene with Shadow Heart, but smoke weed?
It has to do with the type of setting that the writers have in mind. Smoking weed to you might seem okay but it's not common to do in a romantic setting. In most romantic settings, the couple usually drinks wine together.
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
In our society, marijuana has long been legalized in a number of countries such as Canada, the USA, some European countries, and so on.
Would it be possible not to drink wine in the romantic scene with Shadow Heart, but smoke weed?
It has to do with the type of setting that the writers have in mind. Smoking weed to you might seem okay but it's not common to do in a romantic setting. In most romantic settings, the couple usually drinks wine together.
Candalf smoked weed and flirted with Elf Girls all the time.
I have no idea who Candalf is supposed to be, but if it's Gandalf I'm fairly sure he smoked the equivalent of tobacco, not weed, and I can't remember him ever being a flirt with a single soul, not even in the writing that describe him before incarnating as an old man in Middle Earth (which won't stop people filling the blanks in their head canon, I'm sure).
That aside, I doubt the big question of this thread was something the devs put a lot of pondering into, but on a general level: I guess it doesn't help that one of these two activities is generally legal in most of the civilized world when the other conversely often isn't.
Party control in Baldur's Gate 3 is a complete mess that begs to be addressed. SAY NO TO THE TOILET CHAIN
Well, the untold implication of that minor sidenote about Saruman was that despise his public attempts to mock, demean and belittle Gandalf at any given chance, he was secretly growing jealous of his popularity and influence in the White Council and started to imitate him privately (so picking up his smoking habit, too).
But now that you mention it, I would dig a spin-off of Saruman The (Walter) White breaking bad and trying to get into narco-traffic.
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Party control in Baldur's Gate 3 is a complete mess that begs to be addressed. SAY NO TO THE TOILET CHAIN
Yeah it's a little disappointing. I'm sure they're trying to dodge any criticisms about promoting smoking in a video game, but of course everyone can be a complete drunk and that's totally fine. Just like the real world I guess.
Too bad, I'd take an enchanted pipe for sure!
BG1/2 even had the black lotus on display too, in various tents and dens, random dialogs and such, though it was impossible to actually acquire
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
In our society, marijuana has long been legalized in a number of countries such as Canada, the USA, some European countries, and so on.
Would it be possible not to drink wine in the romantic scene with Shadow Heart, but smoke weed?
It has to do with the type of setting that the writers have in mind. Smoking weed to you might seem okay but it's not common to do in a romantic setting. In most romantic settings, the couple usually drinks wine together.
Why do we need all these settings, tadpoles, goblin tieflings and so on ... if there is weed in the game, then you can just sit in the camp and smoke all day long. While eating something tasty. And there is no need to go anywhere, the main character will not give a damn about the cure for the tadpole. Roleplay that Snoop Dogg would approve of!
Thanks to Larian for Baldurs Gate 3 and the reaction to player feedback
In the game wrath of the rightous there's characters that smoke. I think Greybor does. And a certain gnome alchemist.
It's possible. But Shadowheart doesn't seem like the type of person to do weed to me. She's already forgotten her past. Herself. A bit of wine at a party is one thing. That's less likely to "numb" the mind. Any "breathed" substance would likely be done in some ritual in her cult. She's not TRYING to make herself relax. It's a party. But she's there. She won't pass up on the chance too if it's that in your face either. She's on the cynical side. Pleasure kind of goes against her faith. She's mistrustful. Expects the worst around every corner. It's even encouraged by her faith. This is not the kind of person that would go "I want to indulge in pleasure and seek it out".
She's a "teetotaler". It fits her personality. The vampire wouldn't be one for smoking either. Some of the other characters maybe. The mage no, he needs the self control (it's his life or death). But there's probably someone that is more likely to indulge in smoked substances.
Weed affect you more then drink in the long run. Provided you're going lighter with the drinking and not overdoing it. Shadowheart knows the line. She can't afford to let her guard down too much. Despite the fact she's forgotten her past for reasons unknown, she also seems to know better then to "escape" and forget. She desires the answers too much because she's already forgotten and knows it. Thus why I consider her less likely to smoke anything that might "numb" her mind. In addition to not seeking pleasure due to her faith, which I already covered.
In time she'll learn to loosen up (something is going to go down with her cult at some point). Even then I think she'd want to ensure she never risks forgetting again. Even for a moment. Lose yourself for long enough and you'll understand why. Thus, why the wine?
Situation: Party. Thought procress: When in Rome.
Take into account that she's one to hide. That also means blending in. Party. Drink. It might even be out of pure habit alone. "Just a little wine" is different then "This joint takes a hit".
Im pretty sure Witcher 3 had weed. I still think if kids wanna do something fun, do group sex, never been done in game industry before. All guys banging Jaheira. Or how about partying, rave, dancing?
Corect me if im wrong ... But to be unlightable they would need imunity rather than resistance ... so they would burn, just lot slower and probably would require re-ingnition before every snort(? ... google translator said its right word but it feels odd ... i mean breathing the smoke in)
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
Cannabis doesn't have the rich history that alcohol has, does it? Beer, rum, wine etc. are drinks that are both ancient and ubiquitous around the world, having their place in pretty much every culture. Things like tobacco, cannabis, etc. are more regionally and historically limited. (When I say historically limited I don't mean that they didn't exist at all in ancient times but rather that they haven't been ubiquitous throughout history alcohol.)
That being said, the amount of rum and wine you can find in BG3 right now is absolutely ridiculous, not to mention the amount of camp supplies it gives you. You could do like ten long rests throughout Chapter One using only the wine you find. I say significantly decrease the quantities in which you find it, and bring it down to 1 camp supplies. Keep the price as it is though; it makes sense that it would be a novelty item whose main purpose in the game is being sold for profit.
Im pretty sure Witcher 3 had weed. I still think if kids wanna do something fun, do group sex, never been done in game industry before. All guys banging Jaheira. Or how about partying, rave, dancing?
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
In our society, marijuana has long been legalized in a number of countries such as Canada, the USA, some European countries, and so on.
Would it be possible not to drink wine in the romantic scene with Shadow Heart, but smoke weed?
It has to do with the type of setting that the writers have in mind. Smoking weed to you might seem okay but it's not common to do in a romantic setting. In most romantic settings, the couple usually drinks wine together.
Why do we need all these settings, tadpoles, goblin tieflings and so on ... if there is weed in the game, then you can just sit in the camp and smoke all day long. While eating something tasty. And there is no need to go anywhere, the main character will not give a damn about the cure for the tadpole. Roleplay that Snoop Dogg would approve of!
Then with all due respect, if that is that is what you are looking for, this isn't the game for you or fantasy setting for that matter. Sounds more like your into a more ghetto type theme. If you're using Snoop Dogg as an example.
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
In our society, marijuana has long been legalized in a number of countries such as Canada, the USA, some European countries, and so on.
Would it be possible not to drink wine in the romantic scene with Shadow Heart, but smoke weed?
It has to do with the type of setting that the writers have in mind. Smoking weed to you might seem okay but it's not common to do in a romantic setting. In most romantic settings, the couple usually drinks wine together.
Candalf smoked weed and flirted with Elf Girls all the time.
I never noticed anything about Gandalf's romantic interests when reading Tolkien's books, but there definitely were strong hints in the Peter Jackson LOTR movies and the following Hobbit trilogy that Gandalf had a puppy love crush on Galadriel. In fact, it almost seemed as if there might have been some rivalry from Saruman, too. I guess I can see what the movie was trying to do, but that aspect of their relationship did not work for me. If Macron has a crush on Merkel, I just don't want to know about it.
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
In our society, marijuana has long been legalized in a number of countries such as Canada, the USA, some European countries, and so on.
Would it be possible not to drink wine in the romantic scene with Shadow Heart, but smoke weed?
It has to do with the type of setting that the writers have in mind. Smoking weed to you might seem okay but it's not common to do in a romantic setting. In most romantic settings, the couple usually drinks wine together.
Candalf smoked weed and flirted with Elf Girls all the time.
Where are you getting that from?
I havent watch the trilogy in long time, but Im quite certain he did some flirting with the Queen. There was definitely some sparks. The movie doesnt tell if something happened or no.
Why do we need all these settings, tadpoles, goblin tieflings and so on ... if there is weed in the game, then you can just sit in the camp and smoke all day long. While eating something tasty. And there is no need to go anywhere, the main character will not give a damn about the cure for the tadpole. Roleplay that Snoop Dogg would approve of!
Then with all due respect, if that is that is what you are looking for, this isn't the game for you or fantasy setting for that matter. Sounds more like your into a more ghetto type theme. If you're using Snoop Dogg as an example.
Does the following version better suit your fancy, by any chance:
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Roleplay that Snoop Dogg Tommy Chong would approve of!
Cannabis doesn't have the rich history that alcohol has, does it? Beer, rum, wine etc. are drinks that are both ancient and ubiquitous around the world, having their place in pretty much every culture. Things like tobacco, cannabis, etc. are more regionally and historically limited. (When I say historically limited I don't mean that they didn't exist at all in ancient times but rather that they haven't been ubiquitous throughout history alcohol.)
Well...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#History According to genetic and archaeological evidence, cannabis was first domesticated about 12,000 years ago in East Asia during the early Neolithic period. The use of cannabis as a mind-altering drug has been documented by archaeological finds in prehistoric societies in Eurasia and Africa.
That's about the same time when people started to make proto-beer from wheat and barley in Fertile Crescent. Although, "domesticated" != "being used".
Think it through, however:
Cannabis is a plant which grows by itself in any suitable climate. You don't have to do anything with it to get high, apart from optionally drying it, maybe.
With alcohol, you have to start with some plant rich in carbohydrates, and find a way to ferment it, which generally would require at least pottery. Not all regions of the planet were equally lucky with this: Australia, Siberia (and to a certain extent North America) had no exposure to any alcohol until the arrival of Europeans precisely due to the lack of suitable local cereals. And to distil that gruel, well that would require a still, which is a pure magick compared to a plant that doesn't require much care.
The only reason why alcohol has spread earlier and faster is that wild cannabis has a relatively small areal, while booze can be made from any kind of starch or sugars. However, it's safe to say that, by the time of Columbus, cannabis was as widespread as wine, at the very least. For example, Classical Greeks and Romans knew about cannabis and used it.
Cannabis is a plant which grows by itself in any suitable climate. You don't have to do anything with it to get high, apart from optionally drying it, maybe.
With alcohol, you have to start with some plant rich in carbohydrates, and find a way to ferment it, which generally would require at least pottery. Not all regions of the planet were equally lucky with this: Australia, Siberia (and to a certain extent North America) had no exposure to any alcohol until the arrival of Europeans precisely due to the lack of suitable local cereals. And to distil that gruel, well that would require a still, which is a pure magick compared to a plant that doesn't require much care.
Your knowledge fails you here a bit. Alcohol isn't made only from plants. There are such drinks as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumis And now to the arguments at hand:
To discover that you can get high on cannabis you first of all need to decide to smoke it for some reason. And that's not something very natural. Humans really went inventive here.
To discover that fermented food can get you strangely light, you just need accidentally allow it to "spoil" a bit. And that's what happens even nowadays with fridges in every house.
How can people be complaining about a lack of cannabis in the game when there isn't a single toilet in sight? No toilets whatsoever! Not even on the otherwise fairly well-equipped mindflayer ship. People really should get their priorities straight.
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I found a star sapphire in the D'Arnise water closet.
Regarding the art of smoking, I would guess the intoxicating properties of cannabis were discovered during a prehistoric tribal gathering, when someone gathered a bunch of the plant and threw it onto the embers of a dying fire to try and keep it going. As the vapors swirled about, the tribe soon experienced the mind altering properties of THC and interpreted it as communion with the gods. The tribal shaman eventually made the connection to the plant, and quickly monopolized the supply in order to consolidate his/her power. Thereafter, only small amounts were parceled out by the central authority.
I'm guessing it's a D&D/Wizards of the Coast choice over Larian. The divinity series had Drudanae, which I believe did different things throughout the series. That said, it was highly addictive, illegal, and with alchemy could make "drug" potion. Still not smoking, but a non-alcohol drug added into the lore.
I honestly don't know all the items in D&D to be able to compare. But there are subtle hints as others have pointed out to alternatives beyond alcohol.
Not sure if it was official DnD (or FR, specifically) canon, but both BG1 and 2 had several references to "Black Lotus", like the tent of black lotus smokers at the Nashkel festival and the addicts in a side room of the Copper Coronet in Athkatla. Was, at least in BG2, portrayed as a somewhat expensive drug.
Personally Id go for glazed smoked turnip leaves !
It just reminded me of the bowl of goat's milk that old Winthrop used to put outside his door every evening for the dust demons. He said the dust demons could never resist goat's milk, and that they would always drink themselves into a stupor and then be too tired to enter his room..
The game features many types of alcoholic beverages, wine, and so on. But there is no weed. Why?
At the same time, in many RPG games there are drugs in the game besides alcohol. For example, Skooma and moon sugar in The Elder Scrolls.
Setting the record straight, Moon sugar is NOT a drug, it is an ingredient used for cooking and alchemy. For example, Moon sugar is the key ingredient of Elsweyr Fondue and Lavender Dumplings. Skooma is an illegal narcotic drink refined from moon sugar, but that doesn't make moon sugar itself illegal.
Now, I don't which drinks are illegal in the Forgotten Realms D&D world, but I am positive that the wine Shadowheart drinks with you is perfectly legal.
I dont know about Cannabis ... But in our last DnD session my character took habbit of chewing certain herb he found ... it was described as energizing and refreshing ... later on, DM confessed me it was actually Coca.
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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
Yeah it's a little disappointing. I'm sure they're trying to dodge any criticisms about promoting smoking in a video game, but of course everyone can be a complete drunk and that's totally fine. Just like the real world I guess.
Too bad, I'd take an enchanted pipe for sure!
BG1/2 even had the black lotus on display too, in various tents and dens, random dialogs and such, though it was impossible to actually acquire
You are correct, remember this scene from LOTR: The Two Towers?
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If you listen to the DvD commentary they say they didn't want to glorify smoking so they put this scene in. In truth they came under a ton of pressure from the Truth Initiative and other anti-smoking groups - who will go after any non-negative depictions of the use of tobacco in popular culture.
I would prefer that they had not done this as I found it stupid. Bad Art is what you get when you tie your vision to an ideology that is outside of the established narrative.
It comes down to the themes and tone the writers want to set in the game. Alcohol fits the medieval fantasy vibe, with its taverns and celebratory feasts, while cannabis might feel more modern or out of place in this kind of setting. As others mentioned, there isn’t a cannabis analog in Forgotten Realms lore. It’s more about fantasy concoctions like potions or magical powders.
By the way, it’s interesting how things like nicotine alternatives in real life, such as Air Bar Nex, have become the modern equivalent of this “relaxation culture.” It’s a neat parallel to fantasy worlds creating their versions with dream mist and traveler dust.
actually now that i think about it i remember there being some sort of fantastical magical hallucinogen you could get but i don't remember what it was called (of multiple, one i can think of is "ether root" maybe?) that you get from what i want to say is the guild or zhentarim
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...and for some reason, it was always Lae'zel who ended up giggling and failing saves in rear left position when we went shopping at Blurg's. Well, at least it kept her fingers from Omeluum's throat. My Tav always carried a stash after that!
You can also obtain narcotics in the seedier parts of the lower city. I remember Dreammist, Terazul and I think one I didn't try.
The original creators of D&D were always one step away from getting sued for promoting satanism and whatnot, so any references in the books to actual real-world drugs are vague innuendos at best.
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