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#806499 27/01/22 06:41 PM
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I find that while playing BG3 I enjoy playing the game with the camera right behind the characters, or from what I'm told is called third person camera.
With third person camera you limit your point of view to strictly what the character can see from their position, instead of seeing the entire battlefield. This brings up some interesting points:
The first - It's more realistic. for example: When two allied characters are in battle and there is a wall between them, the player can still command one to assist the other, although realistically the character itself would have no idea what's going on beyond that wall. With third person camera the player can see exactly what each character sees, and roleplay them accordingly.

The second point - Immersion. When the camera is behind my character, moving alongside them, I feel like I am the character, traveling through the world.

The last - Animations. Again, in combat, when closing up to each character you can really see what are they doing and how they're moving - from casting a spell to a cambion swinging a sword, just so the mind flayer steps backwards to dodge it. This really adds a lot to the game in my opinion.

So my point is, make a button to "Enable Third Person Camera", because right now closing up to your character is not perfect. The problems I would love to see fixed with this button are the option to "look up" when facing stairs for example. and to make the camera move so it will remain behind the shoulder of the character, so when an enemy moves you won't see him just walking towards the camera.

Originally I wanted to call this Movie Mode because it makes the game look cinematic.

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That's called third person camera.


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Huh, I guess you're right. I wanted to refer to this as third person but from what I understand it's not exactly right.

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I think players get immersed better if they knew the characters better. Thats why Ive suggested Larian should start selling Characters, also they could add Battle Personalities, so it gives own spin/twist to the characters.

This guy is basically moving all around the map constantly. It seems you gotta keep exploring with WSAD all the time, damn I didnt knew that when I was playing DOS2, I didnt know you gotta go Full Techno. Changing the camera is the wrong way to do it.


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All angles that views the characters from an outside perspective are third person perspectives. Usually what we have now us called "top down" perspective while what you have in say Witcher is "over the shoulder" perspective.


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It would be more of a action cam, if your talking like a mass effect syle view.

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Originally Posted by Dexai
All angles that views the characters from an outside perspective are third person perspectives. Usually what we have now us called "top down" perspective while what you have in say Witcher is "over the shoulder" perspective.

I call it "bird view" its basically same as bird is flying around you, looking at you from different angles.

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Originally Posted by Dexai
All angles that views the characters from an outside perspective are third person perspectives.
Technically true, but not how the term is used in games. No one in their right mind would describe BG 1 and 2 as "third person games" for instance.
In the same way "isometric" only rarely is used to describe ACTUAL isometric perspective and it's more often than not used as an umbrella term to describe all sort of "top down" views.

A third person game is generally a game where the character is framed from behind. In most cases exactly in the middle of the screen, while in some UNHOLY CURSED circumstances de-centered (typically leaning to the left side) in a misguided attempt to "free the center of the view for the player".
Examples may include Tomb Raider, Dark Souls and derivates, Uncharted, The Witcher 2 and 3 (while a similar but not very practical option was included in the first as well) etc.

"Over the shoulder" is generally used to describe third person shooters where the camera is really up close and the character is de-centered, putting the camera... well, over the shoulder, indeed.
Examples may include Resident Evil 4 and 5, Gears of War, etc and the name is borrowed directly from the similar cinematic camera angle:

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Originally Posted by BarryAllen
Huh, I guess you're right. I wanted to refer to this as third person but from what I understand it's not exactly right.
It isn't quite right. I call what we have broken neck camera. Proper third person camera can be used to look up. We cannot do this here, and it makes doing practically everything a big chore with the camera. For a game that seems to pride itself on "verticality" it sure doesn't want us using it.

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Originally Posted by Zarna
Originally Posted by BarryAllen
Huh, I guess you're right. I wanted to refer to this as third person but from what I understand it's not exactly right.
It isn't quite right. I call what we have broken neck camera. Proper third person camera can be used to look up. We cannot do this here, and it makes doing practically everything a big chore with the camera. For a game that seems to pride itself on "verticality" it sure doesn't want us using it.
What I said and what he was answering to had nothing to do with "what we have here" in BG3 and it was more of a general statement about how the type of camera he was asking for is called.

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Originally Posted by Tuco
What I said and what he was answering to had nothing to do with "what we have here" in BG3 and it was more of a general statement about how the type of camera he was asking for is called.
I misread that then, was probably paying more attention to his comment about wanting to be able to look up.

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I would love a TP option. I love isometric RPGs as a genre, but the over-the-shoulder third person perspective is indeed superior, a perfect balance between the iso perspective and the first person perspective.

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I would generally favour focusing on top down view as it is party based RPG, but considering Larian's chain control system doesnt' allow for an efficient control of party members anyway, playing in a third-person camera would hardly detract from the gameplay experience, assuming Larian would manage interacting with objects to work in zoomed in view.

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YES BEING ME HAVING MILLIONS OF GROUPYS WORLD WIDE INCLUDING GAMES COMPANIES THAT COPY EVERY INCH OF ME AND GO WITH MY EVERY IDEA INCLUDING THE LIKES ESO ELDER SCROLL ONLINE I LOVE GAMES LIKE THIS AND BEING TOP BOY ON EVERY GAME IV EVER PLAYED GIVES ME A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AND THE ONLY REASON I HAVEN'T BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME IS BECAUSE OF THE TOP DOWN VIEW IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS RIDICULOUS A PROPER CLOSE AS U WANT 3RD PERSON CAMERA VIEW IS A MUST I HOPE YOU SORT IT OUT IT WILL OPEN UP THE GAME TO A ENTIRE NEW AUDIENCE INCLUDING MY SELF A NEW SURGE OF PLAYERS LEAST THE LIKES OF DRAGONS DOGMA 2 REALISED THIS AND KEPT THE CAMERA VIEW RIGHT FOR HOW 95% OF US LIKE IT WHEN AT THE TIME A FEW AAA GAMES WERE GOING TOP DOWN ISH.
JUST THIS LITTLE CHANGE WILL MAKE THE GAME FEEL BRAND LIKE A SEQUEL TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY PLAYED THE GAME 3RD PERSON VIEW DONE PROPERLY NOT DONE LIKE A AFTERTHOUGHT IS A MUST HAVE.


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