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With the next PFH being confirmed (see other thread), what are your expectations for the PFH specifically (not the game) ? For me I would really really really be happy if Larian would:
- Announce in time when the patch will drop and make sure to tell us if some platforms will get the patch later than others
preferably also giving a rough estimation of eta to ensure people can avoid being totally spoiled on the new patch in case of delayed releases for different platforms. Given that setting an eta date is probably impossible for them, it would suffice if they simply shared a) if there were delays, b) which platforms will be delayed, and c) if they expect the rollout to be faster or comparable to the previous patch & if they will stick to the previous patch platform release order [pc, stadia, mac]
- Address the EA forum community by having a look at the 'megathreads' and to the extend possible at this time in development inform us of their decisions on these issues in order to reach a 'closure' on some of these topics (D/N, +4 party, RtWP, 5e deviations such as mages scribing all scrolls, or reactions).
I get it that some of these things can not be shared with us until release because they might get reworked later, but I don't think it is unreasonable to imagine that at this point in development Larian already decided if they will have a D/N or RtWP feature in their game. (I hope so at least, adding major features this late in development seems like a recipe for disaster). Although people might be disappointed, I think it is better to risk a backlash now instead of at release. Also it would allow the engagement of the community in EA to focus on meaningful issues rather than investing time in discussing things that have already been decided and letting expectations that will not be met persist.
- Have an open discussion regarding the future development until release and give us some insight into how much delay they experienced and/or still expect due to covid compared to their original roadmap.
People are getting impatient...
-Tell us something about their future post-release plans
DM mode, splitscreen, console/tablet release, DLC, curated mods/expansion store for console/cloud platforms
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What would you want them to do in the PFH besides the usual LARP ?
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People are getting impatient is exactly the reason why Larian should forget EA. Obviously they have lots of fans and followers, why cant they just do hype.
Impatient is just how game industry is. Hype times are long.
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gimme barbarian I want smash!
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- Address the EA forum community by having a look at the 'megathreads' and to the extend possible at this time in development inform us of their decisions on these issues in order to reach a 'closure' on some of these topics (D/N, +4 party, RtWP, 5e deviations such as mages scribing all scrolls, or reactions). If i would have to choose one thing ... it would be this. But i would probably not limit it to megathreats ... There is many "lesser" things that i want to be either allready tuned in next patch (since i hope PFH = patch) ... - Too small hotbar > do they plan to even do someting about that? And if so, what? - Unability to attack certain NPCs in certain situations ... > same question as abowe. - F*****G SNEAK ATTACK!  > I think its about time to admit this isnt working as planned. - Absence of Origin characters for Druid and Sorcerer (and hopefully new class) ... > Will there even be some, or certain classes simply never get justice in form of their own companion/Origin character? - Missing or Lacking certain options in dialogues ... > Do Larian want to keep us cornered, or will they give us option to defend oureself? - Pathfinding around Blighted Village ... > Do we really need to carry every single companion by hand to safety, or will they ever stop jumping from the roof like Lemmings? :-/ //Edit: - Starting equipment > Should we keep our hopes, or is that totally off the table? And if so, i would certainly like to know why?  //Edit: - And rolled stats ... i really want to know if im suppose to start learning hot to mod, or not.  And probably countless more ... I think picking at least Few (5?) topics from whole forum and say "we are aware of this, and working on solution" or "we are aware of this, but we also like how this work now, so we will not change it" would be perfect.
Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 01/02/22 05:54 PM.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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- Address the EA forum community
This is what I would like the most. Show a list of the most discussed/requested topics/fixes/updates (this would show the community that you actually are paying attention/care). Give a status of each that shows Yes - planning to implement; No - not planning to implement; Maybe - still studying on how to implement within current framework or studying balance issues. For No’s and Maybe’s, explain thinking as appropriate.
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With the next PFH being confirmed (see other thread), what are your expectations for the PFH specifically (not the game) ? Roughly one hour and change of awkward, mostly-aimless fooling around with a three-minutes summary of the new things being introduced (or changed) in the form of a trailer by the very end. And of course almost zero insight on how or why some design decisions were made, nor a word spent on what Larian thinks of the most heated points of debate among their user base(s).
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- Address the EA forum community
This is what I would like the most. Show a list of the most discussed/requested topics/fixes/updates (this would show the community that you actually are paying attention/care). Give a status of each that shows Yes - planning to implement; No - not planning to implement; Maybe - still studying on how to implement within current framework or studying balance issues. For No’s and Maybe’s, explain thinking as appropriate. This is such a good idea and sad it most likely would never happen. You can even prepare ahead of time, carefully cherry picking what you want to answer and carefully crafting responses. It's just such a shame that most forums (all games/developers) go completely unaddressed. It's so obvious what is important to people when you look at the forums. Even if it's the hard truths: No more patches, we need to get this game out. We hear your request for more realistic time/travel distances, but this just isn't going to happen, we're making a video game. Whatever it may be, it's so simple to get your message out in a controlled way and companies just don't do this for fear of getting their heads bitten off (which will happen no matter what so might as well say it).
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Yeah, it’s a good idea we asked for (and in fact almost begged for) more than a year at this point. It never happened before and I don’t expect things to change now.
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- Address the EA forum community
This is what I would like the most. Show a list of the most discussed/requested topics/fixes/updates (this would show the community that you actually are paying attention/care). Give a status of each that shows Yes - planning to implement; No - not planning to implement; Maybe - still studying on how to implement within current framework or studying balance issues. For No’s and Maybe’s, explain thinking as appropriate. This is such a good idea and sad it most likely would never happen. You can even prepare ahead of time, carefully cherry picking what you want to answer and carefully crafting responses. It's just such a shame that most forums (all games/developers) go completely unaddressed. It's so obvious what is important to people when you look at the forums. Even if it's the hard truths: No more patches, we need to get this game out. We hear your request for more realistic time/travel distances, but this just isn't going to happen, we're making a video game. Whatever it may be, it's so simple to get your message out in a controlled way and companies just don't do this for fear of getting their heads bitten off (which will happen no matter what so might as well say it). Why they need to address anything? Gamers arent developers, we just give opinions, suggestions, help them etc. These 90s forums gives bad image of it, too much freedom.
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- Address the EA forum community
This is what I would like the most. Show a list of the most discussed/requested topics/fixes/updates (this would show the community that you actually are paying attention/care). Give a status of each that shows Yes - planning to implement; No - not planning to implement; Maybe - still studying on how to implement within current framework or studying balance issues. For No’s and Maybe’s, explain thinking as appropriate. This is such a good idea and sad it most likely would never happen. You can even prepare ahead of time, carefully cherry picking what you want to answer and carefully crafting responses. It's just such a shame that most forums (all games/developers) go completely unaddressed. It's so obvious what is important to people when you look at the forums. Even if it's the hard truths: No more patches, we need to get this game out. We hear your request for more realistic time/travel distances, but this just isn't going to happen, we're making a video game. Whatever it may be, it's so simple to get your message out in a controlled way and companies just don't do this for fear of getting their heads bitten off (which will happen no matter what so might as well say it). Why they need to address anything? Gamers arent developers, we just give opinions, suggestions, help them etc. These 90s forums gives bad image of it, too much freedom. Obviously in capitalism they don't owe us anything legally. On a pragmatic level, however, there is nothing stopping companies, such as Larian, who prize themselves as industry outsiders, to show some basic social decency to their customer base. We aren't asking much i think, a simple gesture of acknowledgment and some closure towards the discussions here would suffice. After all we're all here because they asked us to participate in this EA, right ?
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Acknowledging the community and the most discussed topics would be much more worthy of a dev panel than dressing up and fooling around for giggles again.
I mean it's cute and it was funny at first, but if you start doing it regularly you eventually get compared to entertainment created by professionals. So game content discussion, roadmap etc. rather than another amateur TV-show with a shaky production, please.
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With the next PFH being confirmed (see other thread), what are your expectations for the PFH specifically (not the game) ? Jokes and antics for the twitch crowd who are oblivious to the requests and discussions that take place here, a playthrough of the new class, a trailer for the new class, announcement of the update I would personally LOVE IT if they took a glance at the megathreads and give confirmations that they're watching out for us and our worries about the game but sad to say, I've lost hope that they will directly acknowledge their own forums or misgivings and weird (no, not quirky, just weird) design/gameplay choices. Give us a roadmap. Give us something tangible. This is a repeat from my last post months ago but (to no surprise) its still actual- I want more feedback angles. We barely have topics of interest anymore. I want an insight into the development process of the rest of the game. A snippet, a quick 5 minute video of some models, areas, concept art, armor / weapon designs, interviews with the development team, I would even settle for a goddamn screenshot - instead of wasting everyones time with a pointless PFH show. Not to bash on that, I think they're adorable in their way and I support their playfulness about it, but since the beggining we are in the dark. I don't care for it. It doesn't get me hyped up as a solid example of a developmental process could. A bunch of smaller game studios give out information like that as the norm. A patch is introduced and then silence comes which in turn makes the people branch out into wild theories and suggestions (both on here and discord alongside the amazing content/lore creators on youtube) which will probably not see the light of day. Silence is NOT Larians friend. Not when you're developing a game of this scope, with a name that has cemented itself into the nostalgia-filled hearts of so many people. You can paint onto me whatever opinions you want but I seriously don't think thats too much to ask for. Especially because I'm not the only one requesting it. I want monthly updates on where they're at.
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If there is something i really want about next PFH ... Its people stop bitching about next PFH ... okey, we get it, and we get is in those previous PFHs aswell, "you" dont like it ... we do, and as it seems so do Larian, so suck it up. :-/
Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 02/02/22 07:13 PM.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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If there is something i really want about next PFH ... Its people stop bitching about next PFH / Tough luck, mate.
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Yeah i know ... My chances for this come true is almost as low as chances for that Larian will stop doing them. 
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings.  Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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But i would probably not limit it to megathreats ... A Freudian slip?
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With the next PFH being confirmed (see other thread), what are your expectations for the PFH specifically (not the game) ? Jokes and antics for the twitch crowd who are oblivious to the requests and discussions that take place here, a playthrough of the new class, a trailer for the new class, announcement of the update I would personally LOVE IT if they took a glance at the megathreads and give confirmations that they're watching out for us and our worries about the game but sad to say, I've lost hope that they will directly acknowledge their own forums or misgivings and weird (no, not quirky, just weird) design/gameplay choices. Give us a roadmap. Give us something tangible. This is a repeat from my last post months ago but (to no surprise) its still actual- I want more feedback angles. We barely have topics of interest anymore. I want an insight into the development process of the rest of the game. A snippet, a quick 5 minute video of some models, areas, concept art, armor / weapon designs, interviews with the development team, I would even settle for a goddamn screenshot - instead of wasting everyones time with a pointless PFH show. Not to bash on that, I think they're adorable in their way and I support their playfulness about it, but since the beggining we are in the dark. I don't care for it. It doesn't get me hyped up as a solid example of a developmental process could. A bunch of smaller game studios give out information like that as the norm. A patch is introduced and then silence comes which in turn makes the people branch out into wild theories and suggestions (both on here and discord alongside the amazing content/lore creators on youtube) which will probably not see the light of day. Silence is NOT Larians friend. Not when you're developing a game of this scope, with a name that has cemented itself into the nostalgia-filled hearts of so many people. You can paint onto me whatever opinions you want but I seriously don't think thats too much to ask for. Especially because I'm not the only one requesting it. I want monthly updates on where they're at. You guys dont get it. If there is 1000 kids who all want own stuff, they listen 1 of them, they lose 999 kids. I honestly think its time to forget this EA kumbayaa. Go pro! Larian's skill lvl should be high enough after 2 game already. Start to sell high quality Fantasy Characters could be one step.
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- Address the EA forum community
This is what I would like the most. Show a list of the most discussed/requested topics/fixes/updates (this would show the community that you actually are paying attention/care). Give a status of each that shows Yes - planning to implement; No - not planning to implement; Maybe - still studying on how to implement within current framework or studying balance issues. For No’s and Maybe’s, explain thinking as appropriate. This is such a good idea and sad it most likely would never happen. You can even prepare ahead of time, carefully cherry picking what you want to answer and carefully crafting responses. It's just such a shame that most forums (all games/developers) go completely unaddressed. It's so obvious what is important to people when you look at the forums. Even if it's the hard truths: No more patches, we need to get this game out. We hear your request for more realistic time/travel distances, but this just isn't going to happen, we're making a video game. Whatever it may be, it's so simple to get your message out in a controlled way and companies just don't do this for fear of getting their heads bitten off (which will happen no matter what so might as well say it). Why they need to address anything? Gamers arent developers, we just give opinions, suggestions, help them etc. These 90s forums gives bad image of it, too much freedom. Obviously in capitalism they don't owe us anything legally. On a pragmatic level, however, there is nothing stopping companies, such as Larian, who prize themselves as industry outsiders, to show some basic social decency to their customer base. We aren't asking much i think, a simple gesture of acknowledgment and some closure towards the discussions here would suffice. After all we're all here because they asked us to participate in this EA, right ? Im not here for EA, I honestly think this could be awesome game. Hell I havent even played this game yet.
Last edited by GreatWarrioX; 03/02/22 01:31 AM.
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Honestly... What else can be said?
It's getting real old. All of it. I AM getting tired of repeating the same stuff over and over without Larian ever telling us what they're ACTUALLY going to do.
Just cut the stupid stuff and cut to the chase.
Are we ever getting Day/Night? If not. Say it. Are we getting Core 5e rules? Just tell us yes or no. Party of 6? Fixed Shove? You know what? Maximus gave a whole list. Just pop it open, read it aloud on PFH and tell us what you're doing for each item.
Give us another weird game show cosplay with no real answers and I'm not tuning in. I'll maybe consider playing the next patch. Maybe. I mean, unless we get something real, I'm becoming disenchanted. My fan fic is really the only thing keeping me interested. Party of 6 mod had me going for a bit, but it crashes constantly. So even that is no fun anymore. I'm thinking of never modding again because of it, even though I love party of 6. Sigh.
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Through hazy eyes, I read "Fixed Shovel" and ended up having a good laugh. Honestly, I would expect them to mess up something as simple as a digging implement.
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