Originally Posted by Rhobar121
The bigger problem is the weight limit, on the stream, Sven's character was unable to lift Gale weighing 65 kg at 17 strength.
I'm not sure how much the BG3 goblins weigh, but I'm betting around 30kg.
It's good that the weight limits are somewhat reasonable. If only 18+ Str characters can lift medium creatures (and presumably only those that aren't wearing heavy armor), then that will at least prevent all classes from being able to throw most enemies. And even super-strong characters won't be able to lift large creatures or maybe even the heavier of the medium ones.

I'm moving our barbarian discussion happening in the other thread to this one, because it's getting fairly Barbarian-focused.
Originally Posted by Rhobar121
Originally Posted by mrfuji3
Importantly, "showing a 65% chance" does not actually mean there is a 65% to pick up and throw the enemy. That 65% chance could (and I argue, is) actually be showing the chance-to-hit that enemy with a thrown thing [whether object or creature]. It could be luck, but as I said elsewhere, none of the (4? 6?) throw attempts I saw failed. Only the actual hitting the target part ever failed.

Obviously more testing is warranted, and I want throwing to have a chance to fail. I've just seen no evidence of that as of yet.

This would be pointless as it would mean that the target is not making any saving throw.
If you look closely at the first goblins fight you will see that before Swen picked up a goblin it was 65% displayed and then when he tried to throw it at a spider he had a 60% chance to hit.
Most likely, they were lucky on the stream (they didn't use it that many times anyway).
Yes, that would be pointless and a terrible implementation....but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
The spider having 1 higher AC than the goblin perfectly explains the 65 and 60% chances shown. 65% chance to hit the goblin with a thrown something, 60% to hit the spider with a thrown something. And if you're targeting AC, the target doesn't need to make any STs.

Again, I want it to be just luck that they succeeded in every throw. But I can't test it personally for the next week or so, and I've only seen successes so far.

Edit: From Niara's PfH Synopsis: "at this point we've seen about ten throws, and there hasn't been a single instance where the throwing character has failed to pick up and throw the target victim; it has simply worked, every time."

Last edited by mrfuji3; 16/02/22 03:38 PM.