Originally Posted by mrfuji3
And I want to emphasize:

At level 5 according to RAW, most martials can shove up to 2x per turn. At level 11? Fighters can shove 3 times. Double both of those numbers if you use Action Surge.
However, in Larian's implementation they'll only be able to shove once.

If you think Larian's implementation of shove is too powerful to be a BA, you should want shove to be an attack-equivalent action.
If you really like shoving people, you should also want shove to be an attack-equivalent action*.

*This primarily helps non-rogue martials, but casters can Thunderwave to shove possibly multiple enemies and Misty Step to disengage as BAs, so they're fine.

Ah geez! See. Forgot about that. Sigh. See? RAW 5e. 5 feet shove or knock prone. Action not Bonus Action. The point of shove isn't to be a major attack. It's supposed to be an option for certain circumstances. Need to get an enemy away from your squishy mage? Shove so they can retreat and cast spells still. Enemy on ledge not paying attention. Sneak up and shove off.

As for throw, there is no 5e. So, best solution is to limit distance to maybe 10 feet and make it an Action and BA. After all, you can damage an enemy AND toss them into other enemies to damage them AND you can make them go away so your mage can flee and still cast spells AND you can throw them off cliffs. Quite OP even when given such restrictions.