Originally Posted by JandK
Originally Posted by 1varangian
Namely Shove.

Namely shove, you say?

Originally Posted by 1varangian
Arguing about Shove or specific encounters is pointless. It's a cold fact that Larian have overpowered it and another cold fact is that many players are not happy with that. If you want to keep beating that horse you can do that in numerous other threads.

Um, okay. I didn't realize we were the ones beating the horse about shove.

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Back to the point then: dual wielding is useful. It's not just about the damage of the offhand weapon. It's also about the effect that weapon may produce.

Basically, offering other options doesn't lower the value of an option.

Think about it logically. You have five dollars. There are several things you can purchase with your five dollars. None of those things are suddenly worth less than five dollars simply because there's something else you can spend the same amount of money on.

In an ideal world, all of the "five dollar" options would be equal in value, overall. Some might be worth more to the individual purchaser in the individual moment, but all should be relatively equal in value, overall to the consumers and their particular needs at their particular moments.

What you're trying to argue is that "dual wielding" is worth a single dollar while some other bonus action is worth five dollars, thus making the other bonus action superior in all ways.

This is just not the case though. Again, the value of the offhand weapon is *more* than just the damage it deals. It's also the value of the effect the weapon offers in the moment of game play.
Ok this is a waste of time.

You're not listening or trying to understand what people are saying but relentlessly trying to "win" an argument instead. Also in the Shove thread.

You're also assuming the other person "doesn't get it" hence educating them with "simple enough" five dollar bill comparisons and whatnot. Yeah, I get how it works and how to make the most of it - that's why I raised the topic in the first place. You just missed the point entirely.