Originally Posted by mrfuji3
Originally Posted by 1varangian
Considering Action Surge and higher level Fighters combined with the high focus on verticality in BG3, I would probably still limit Shove to max 1 attempt / turn. At least make it Shove + 3 x Pushing Attacks for a 5th level Battlemaster to expend some resources. Action Surge is a pretty insane spike tbh.
Eh I don't agree but I'm not categorically opposed. If Shove is only 5 feet then it's much less powerful, and a fighter dedicating multiple attacks and possibly AS to attemptshove a foe multiple times to off a cliff is fine to me. As long as instant-death pits and lava aren't too common of course. Theoretically an enemy should successfully avoid a shove ~10-50% of the time depending on the relevant skills scores, so even 4 shoves in a row will only on average yield 2-3 successful shoves = 10-15 feet.
Yeah I think the issue I'm thinking is more the fact that an 11th level Fighter can do 6 whatever attacks with Action Surge before the target gets to react. 6 attacks or 6 5' Shoves is a lot of actions. Or 15' Pushing Attacks.

With how surprise works in BG3 currently and with how abundant Haste potions are.. that can amount to 12 attacks before the enemy gets a turn if you win initiative. It's not about Shove anymore.