Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback SHOOOOOOOVE

In all seriousness, nobody here has ever said they want it changed permanently so that every player has to deal with Shove the way "we want it." All anybody has ever asked for is a game setting that allows those who do want to, to turn Shove into a more balanced (in our opinion) action in the game. Many of those who are arguing for that setting adjustment are doing so because they've had actual experiences in the game that made Shove as a bonus action seem like an unbalanced mechanic. Some are coming at it from the perspective that it doesn't adhere to the D&D 5e rules that we're familiar with. I have no problem with you enjoying Shove the way that it is. I have no problem with you saying that it creates the necessity of ingenuity in combat regarding positioning. I'm very happy that you enjoy that mechanic as it currently exists. I don't understand why you can't allow for the possibility that not everybody feels that way, and that our opinion about wanting it changed is just as valid as yours? That's not a difficult premise to intellectually accept, I don't think. Nobody is here saying, "Make sure JandK doesn't get to play with his shiny toys!" We're just saying, we don't like the shiny toys as they currently exist, and, please, if possible, oh Larian programmers, could we maybe get a setting that allows us to adjust it into something we'd find more fun?


See now, that's 100% tribal, and not at all helpful, and again, to be dismissive of other people's experience doesn't allow any room for the fact that other people who have played this game have had wildly different experience than you've had. Last time I checked, you're not logged into my Larian account or sitting at my PC playing the character I built in the playstyle that I've chosen to play in. To just assume everyone's experience can't actually be the way they've (consistently by the way) described, is dangerously close-minded and ego-centric. It also doesn't really offer anything productive to the discussion, unless you are asserting that, "you're wrong because I've never experienced that," is productive. If you just want us all to feel bad for having an opinion, then please just come in and say: "you're dumb and I hate you for existing in a world that doesn't mirror my own." I'm not mad at you because you've never experienced any playable character in the game being yeeted off a cliff to their death. It seems as though you might be mad at me because I have? As, obviously, others have as well. I understand that your opinion that Shove is fine as it is, is perfectly valid, and should be taken into account for any decision regarding the game. Please, by all means, continue to enjoy Shove as it is. At the same time, please also open your mind to accept the fact that not everyone likes it as is, and that too is okay.

I think we all need to stop thinking about this as a "you're wrong and I'm right" argument. Both sides of the argument are right. Shove is fun, for some. Shove is not fun for others. Nobody is wrong. Nobody here is saying, if they are trying to productively discuss the topic anyway, that anybody is wrong. Everyone is just trying to make sure that their valid opinions should be taken into account while this game is in early access. There is no "us," and there is no "them," in this argument. We're all here, or we should be at least, in a public forum to make sure that our right, as consumers of an early access game, to discuss features that we'd like to see adjusted, is taken into account. In the future, please refrain from belittling people who hold a different opinion, just because you have no basis for understanding that opinion is a valid one.