Originally Posted by Niara
This fictional space is different from ours, and it operates on a different set of rules.
Yup ...
My point exactly ... fictional space comes with different set of rules, and that is how things works there ...

The only difference is that for myself, it includes sheating weapons on back.
(If i want to ... note that i repeately asked for making it both optional, never had any problem with sheating on hips.)

Originally Posted by Niara
Those rules allow for things like dragons to exist, and for wizards to conjure fireballs and for mortals to attain sparks of divinity and ascent to higher beings if they are capable enough...
But not weapons being sheated on back. laugh

Any other "odd" thing is fine, since the world "operates on a different set of rules" ... but this one? NEVER! laugh
And that is exactly what i find so funny. laugh

Originally Posted by Niara
we accept the rules by which that world is governed
Except you dont ... you pick every single one of them and decide if that one is good enough for you to accept or not. laugh

Originally Posted by Niara
Things that do not play by those rules, and which step outside of that, or draw attention to the fact that the medium we're using to envision this world is flawed or imperfect, create immersion dissonance
This is the core of the problem ...
It dont really "not play by those rules" ... it "dont play by rules you want" ...

What rule does sheating weapons on back break? Gravity?
Yes, that would be understandable ...
Huge flying lizard breaks the same rule ... but you dont mind.
So that would probably not be the case. O_o

Originally Posted by Niara
Things like 'putting the weapon away and having it float six inches behind your back' does not fit in with the structure of the world - it doesn't have a how and a why that you can trace - so it is a source of immersion dissonance in a way that a literal dragon is not.
So ... can you track "how and why" for me for party limits, or hitpoints, or that dragon?
Or could you provide me "how and why" for why people can easily walk just few feets from river of lava, without any physical discomfort except sweating?

There is many rules in this would that "does not fit with the structure" ... you just pick those you like (or are used to), and those you dont. :-/

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Originally Posted by Sharet
Even in a fantasy world, some things are meant to be magical and capable of defying the laws of our world, while others are meant to be mundane and governed by the same reality we are subjected to.
This is not "my liking", this is how the setting is built.
Okey, this is good argument actualy ...
Question tho ... who decides what is suppose to follow what?

Hint: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/102507/what-is-rule-zero

Originally Posted by Sharet
We can sit here arguing for years about whether some things break immersion more than others, but if you refuse to accept this basic assumption then you are just arguing for the sake of it.
Yes ... we can.
Even tho im not quite sure why would we. laugh

My question was quite simple i believed (foolishly as it seems) ...
All i wanted to know is how exactly things are breaking immersion for you.

Instead, to use your own words to describe i get "whether some things break immersion more than others", and multiple quite thorough descriptions of what is immersion, or where is it broken ... is that even related to the question?
I dont think it is. :-/

You of all people should know that i dont take away people opinions ...
Yes, i keep asking if i find something that feels contradictory ... and yes, i defend my own stand, once somebody starts to lecture me how i should see something ... but with one hand on heart and second on Bible (or any other holy symbol of your choosing) i can swear that my intention was never ever arguing about someone opinion!
And im quite sure that if you seen me doing that anywhere, you missread it. wink

Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 11/05/22 01:22 PM.

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown