Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by fylimar
He didn't say Maximuus thinks, but Maximuus counts - so... not at all guesswork.
Yeah ... he said ... that is source of my disbelief ... that someone else said ... wich is another one.
And i simply dont believe either, there was not even a single word about any guessing.
[...] no it doesnt mean that i say Maximuuus lies ... there are other options you know ... he could exaggerate, made a misstake, round the results up, etc.
Why dismiss the results out of hand when you could check the math? It's all there in Maximuuus' post. He's very diligent in explaining how he computes the figures.

If you paste the whole thread in Excel and start sifting through the data, you may find some slight mistakes in the post. That's not an enditement of Maximuuus's work, on the contrary. It's thorough and honest enough to let anyone see exactly what he did and how. Saying you flat out don't believe it kinda blows my mind.

For the record, here's what I found by checking the math. Feel free to check mine, so we may collectively approach the truth.

There's a typo in the number of accounts expressing dislike of the movement system (it's 127, not 147) which means only 181 seperate accounts had commented on that thread by the time of Max's post. By my count, this is correct. However, this is a little lucky because the post only lists 172 unique accounts. Notably, some accounts are listed twice while others are missing.


Names listed more than once, and how totals change when the duplicates are removed:
anfindel - 1 no opinion
blazerules -1 dislike
Charod -1 dislike
dunehunter (x4) -2 dislike, - 1 no opinion
KingNothing69 -1 dislike
sharp -1 no opinion
ulvgaar -1 no opinion

Unlisted names, and how totals change when they are added to the list
cleric of innuendo (mod) +1 no opinion
da michi +1 no opinion
Darkhain +1 dislike
DragonMaster69 +1 no opinion
Elessaria666 +1 dislike
GamerSerg +1 dislike
Pandemonica +1 dislike
Sadurian (mod) +1 no opinion
Zarna +1 dislike
For some reason, the errors cancel each other out. This means that the category totals are correct, typo notwithstanding. Because of that typo, the total number of accounts used to compute the percentages is off by 20. Here are the updated percentages:

RESULTS (out of 181 accounts)

- 127 (70%) of them give a feedback that you can't missunderstood : they don't like this system
- 6 (3.3%) said that they're pretty ok to deal with the system but they have issues with it
- 1 (0.6%) seems to like it, but honnestly it looks like a troll ("get good")
- 47 (26%) disccussed issues related to this system or give related feedbacks, suggestions etc...

For good measure, here are the updated lists I used to come to this result.

WHO DON'T LIKE THIS SYSTEM (127)

00zim00
1varangian
AceVentura
Agi
Akari
AlanC9
Albi
andreasrylander
Anfindel
Argonaut
Arrowmaker
ash elemental
Athann
BadgerMan
Baldurs-Gate-Fan
Baraz
Black_Elk
blazerules
Bluthtonian
Bossk_Hogg
brosephhstalin
Bukke
cgexile
Charod
Claudio_420
clavis
Clawfoot
Dangerman33
Darkhain
DiDiDi
DistantStranger
Dogmatis
Dominemesis
Doomec
Doomlord
Drath Malorn
Druid_NPC
dunehunter
ElComunista
Elessaria666
Emrikol
etonbears
Etruscan
Firesnakearies
FrankHunter
Fuz77
Gaidax
GamerSerg
Gassygunslinger
Gothfather
Gray Ghost
Gustavo R
guy
Ianthebea
iMage
ImSuperCereal
JDCrenton
Jebble
Jimmhel
jinkaroo
joste89
Jun
Kal Spiro
kanisatha
KillerRabbit
KingNothing69
Lastman
lethe
LoneSky
Lunar Dante
Marcus Artorius
Martyn
MasterRoo09
Matey
Maximuuus
Minsc1122
mithril
Mogan
mr_planescapist
mrfuji3
Nagfar
nation
ngcwwolf
Nibel
Night_Mask
Pah
Pandemonica
Pantoufle
Peranor
PumatsHole
radioactive_lego
Ramshine
Redglyph
RKLimes
Roarro
RobinLefebvre
Saryle
Scribe
Sestuna
Sharet
Sharp
Sigi98
Sir Sparhawk
Skjoldur
spectralhunter
Suhiira
SymposiumX
The Ranger
theedge771
TheFoxWhisperer
Topgoon
Traycor
tsundokugames
Tuco
Turglayfopa
ulvgaar
UnknownEvil
VhexLambda
VincentNZ
vitfast
Vynticator
WarBaby2
Warlocke
Willyto
Wormerine
YelloB
Zarna


WHO IS +- OK WITH THE SYSTEM (6)
(meaning they "deal" with it, but don't necessary find it good or don't have any issues with it - pathfinding, QoL,...)
UnderworldHades
Dagless
DragonSnooz
Judex
Nyloth
Starsmith
UnderworldHades

WHO LIKE THE CHAIN (1)
Skin Overbone

WHO GAVE FEEDBACK OR DISCUSSED RELATED ISSUES WITHOUT GIVING STRONG POSITION (47)
(AI, stealth, group command, suggest something, auto jump, console.....)

alice_ashpool
Ankou
Boblawblah
Bufotenina
Buttery_Mess
CAGE
cleric of innuendo (mod)
Creslin321
daMichi
Dark_Ansem
Dexai
DragonMaster69
Ellynrie
Gabriel Farishta
Gnopi
Grantig
grysqrl
Iviene
Jermz238
jfutral
jonn
ldo58
LukasPrism
Meeshe
Newtinmpls
Ole Draco
OneManArmy
Praetox
Raflamir
Rhobar121
Riandor
robertthebard
RumRunner151
Sadurian (mod)
Seleniumcodec
someoneinatree
SpiritChaser
Stalkingwolf
Surface R
SwordSaintSilver
tangelo1023
TimVanBeek
UncleBoss
Veilburner
Vortex138
YT-Yangbang
Zellin

This doesn't take into account pages 30 to 42 of the thread, so let's look at those right now. Here's a list of all users who posted in that thread for the first time after Maximuuus had done his analysis, along with the category under which I place them.

Aaezil dislike
Anthraxid dislike
Archaven dislike
Blackheifer dislike
booboo dislike
Califax dislike
CJMPinger dislike
colinl8 dislike
crashdaddy dislike
daMichi dislike
Dr.serkan85 dislike
Duchess of Gorgombert (mod) no opinion
dukeisaac dislike
Dulany67 dislike
EvilVik dislike
fylimar dislike
gaymer dislike
GM4Him no opinion
Ivan_Ho dislike
JandK no problem
JeneralBen no problem
jfjohnny5 dislike
JiruoVX dislike
jmos dislike
JoB dislike
Kryldost like
Mikus dislike
mystakai dislike
Pupito dislike
RagnarokCzD like
Ranxerox dislike
RutgerF dislike
Saito Hikari dislike
Scales & Fangs dislike
schpas dislike
SerraSerra no problem
ShimmerUK dislike
Soul-Scar dislike
Tarorn no problem
Taylan dislike
Terminator2020 dislike
The Composer (mod) dislike
timebean no opinion
virion dislike
vometia (mod) no opinion
WebSpyder dislike
yetkopempo dislike
This comes out to 47 accounts, who break down as follows : 37 dislike, 2 like, 4 more or less fine, 4 no opinion.

This brings us to updated percentages:

RESULTS (Out of 181 + 47 = 228 accounts)

- 164 (72%) of them give a feedback that you can't missunderstood : they don't like this system
- 10 (4.4%) said that they're pretty ok to deal with the system but they have issues with it
- 3 (1.3%) seem to like it
- 51 (22%) disccussed issues related to this system or give related feedbacks, suggestions etc...

You can have issues with the methodology, or how I classified accounts, or anything else. If you do, please point to specifics.

Last edited by Flooter; 27/05/22 02:50 PM. Reason: Math is hard

Larian, please make accessibility a priority for upcoming patches.