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Why Was Bane Demoted?

One of the great mysteries in the transition from 4th Edition Forgotten Realms to 5th Edition Forgotten Realms has been the resuscitation of many old deities from former editions and in the case of Bane, who had persevered throughout most of this time, a massive demotion, but why is that? Here we attempt to answer that question and the answer might lie in the full release of BG3.

It is a bit of a puzzler. Bane giving up all of his power voluntarily seems unlikely, and considering his importance as a deity, one would think that the drop to quasi-deity status would be remarked upon. Heck, you can meet a priest of his consort, Loviatar in game. Void of an explanation by WoTC or Larian, his predicament makes little sense.

Myrkul is another one I hope Larian address. We find out in NWN2 that he's clinging to a form of semi-life because he linked his existence to the Wall of the Faithless. Indeed, we find out that the 'real' reason for the Wall, one of the universe's most infamously cruel injustices was basically created as a failsafe for Myrkul so he could cling to some sort of life through mortal's fear of death. But 5e removed references to the Wall, so was he dead-dead all this time, or was the Wall removed by some decree of Ao/Kelemvor? Did he come back to life through the crown? Was Maura Silverhand some sort of 'Myrkul-spawn' and he came back in a similar manner as Bane and Bhaal did? The lack of answers here is really gnawing at me because Myrkul seems to have had the most contingencies of all the Dead Three, but has zero explanation for his return. Put me in mind of that Star Wars movie, not in a good way- 'Somehow Myrkul has returned.' Hope Larian provides some answers. Hope they don't ignore the Wall and NWN2.

Also. What exactly is Kelemvor the god of? Between Bane, Myrkul, and Bhaal being back, where does he define himself as a god? Particularly in regards to Myrkul's return.

Here comes another one.

Despite the fact that you can actually kill Myrkul for good over the course of the MotB campaign by eating his lingering soul, according to Wizards, we canonically did not do that, thus leaving him clinging to the edge of existence until he was revived after the second sundering, which actually revived several gods, caused others to be subsumed into greater deities, and caused the creation of several more. Th second sundering was wild and basically served as an excuse for Wizards to pull a reset on certain events.

The wall still exists as of 5e, but the only reference you'll find about it is in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, which is also where they cover some of the gods returning or vanishing. Technically Myrkul, Kelemvor, and Jergal can all exist simultaneously as they cover slightly different portfolios. Kelemvor is god of the dead, and arbiter of the dead; Myrkul is the god of death but also more broadly, endings; and Jergal is the scribe of the dead and archivist of the libraries in the city of the dead. This distinction is thin, but important, otherwise one of them is going to get subsumed into the other, and at this point I think Kelemvor has the highest rank, deity-wise.

It's entirely possible that someone like Bane or Myrkul would give up a portion of their god-hood in order to gain freedom from their own portfolios. Being a god gives you a lot of power, but also places a lot of restrictions on you, this is how Ao intended it to be. Being a powerful mortal or demi-god allows you more freedom, as you aren't confined to a portfolio or at the mercy of belief like a full god.

lol, i noticed something was odd, but then i saw your post in the other thread and you're right. They don't actually post anything other than a youtube link without any comments, and they never actually engage afterwards. Such a weird thing, they want people to watch their videos, but they're not willing to actually talk to people.

About time the egg had a warning , dont mind people promoting there stuff but just dropping a youtube video and leaving is borderline spam

Right? It's downright bizarre.
Usually even the most shameless self-promoters and clout chasers make at least a half-assed attempt to pretend they like interacting with their audience.

If nothing else, the approach "Here's my newest link. Fuck your guts and choke on it" is bold and novel, for sure.

I am not exactly sure where the wrath and hostility come from. I bear you no ill will and sure one could write a novel here and rehash what I already said in the video. Would that spare us your wrath?

There's no "wrath". I simply find your behavior incredibly distasteful. Do I really need to explain you why? Even if in fact I already did.

And if you think it's just me, be aware that it would get you instantly banned on most communities that I know of. I can point you the names in case you want to put it to a test.

But hey, this is your first reply EVER on this forum, after 19 threads started that consisted exclusively in a Youtube link, so if nothing else is already reassuring to have confirmation that your account is not a bot.

The "wrath and hostility" come from you spamming youtube links without ever interacting with the community. This is a forum, not an advertising space for your youtube channel.

Distasteful or not, you are incredibly angry and I can sort of understand that but I also can't. You could just as easily ignore the threads and not click on them. No one is forced to engage with them so it is truly and sincerely baffling to me. That said I could write a novel here as well. WOTC did an absolute trash job transitioning from 4th Edition to 5th Edition as they explained virtually nothing. 5th Edition is effectively the same thing in terms of world building and setting as the Forgotten Realms was in 1987 when it was first released, albeit with a few minor changes. All those changes and cock-ups to just go back to the way it was 35 years ago. They have done a terrible job explaining why and how they did the things they have done, above all explaining how the completely borked cosmology in the setting now works and they probably do not even know and are hoping that Larian might be able to fix it. There you go, my thoughts.

I honestly cannot relate to your anger even if I lived on this forum. Now, if writing extensive text along with posting video links will satisfy your requirements then I can do that. Even so, I don't get your anger, you really seem deeply offended but again I can write a wall of accompanying text with any link I post if that spares me the collective wrath of the denizens here.

The reality is that WOTC did an absolute trash job in explaining any of the cosmological changes that took place going from terrible 4th Edition to 5th Edition. 30+ years of turning everything on its head to basically go back to a slightly different version of the 1987 Campaign Box Set. I honestly believe that WOTC might be banking on Larian to patch up the gaping holes they created by not explaining anything.

Yeah, yeah, ok, the issue now is my "ANGER" and not your basic lack of manners (or "netiquette", if we want to use a somewhat obsolete term for it).

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not grinding my teeth nor punching the desk in some burst of rage.
I'm just calling you out on your behavior.

The key point isn't "writing extensive text along with posting video links"; it's following-up and participating in discussion instead of simply advertising your channel and then leaving. Be a part of the forum!

And you're participating in discussion now, which is improvement. Keep doing this--just a couple follow up comments each thread, at minimum--and no one will have any qualms.

I really hope Wizards isn't relying on larian to fill in the gaps in their lore, what a frightening idea. The events of this game will most likely end up like the events of most of our other d&d video games, loosely canonical but never actually referenced by sourcebooks or other direct WotC publications, but possibly mentioned or adapted by the novels.

I'm with Tuco ( even If that makes me another 'angry' person).
It is inpolite to just spam video links and not engage in any form in the community, you spam your links in. I didn't see you engage in any thread to any topic.
At least make one thread for all your videos ( like GM4 does with his fanfiction), so that people know, what to expect.

Obviously it is a vague hope but considering that WOTC spent 30 years tearing up Forgotten Realms cosmology only to leave even more gaping holes I don't know how they are going to fix it. Another possibility is that WOTC just doesn't care because the youngest generation of whippersnappers entering D&D just don't care about the history and they feel they might be able to get away with it without further clarification. Obviously I am just spitballing.

You have been throwing up the Red Flags with these threads.

Obscured links - could go anywhere, do bad things to our computers. Red Flag.

No message - just dropped that link like a bot, another Red Flag.

No involvement - Starting a disscussion and running is troll behaviour. Red Flag.

In communities I moderate/admin in, that's you out if you can't explain yourself and ammend your actions to be a bit more "community" and a lot less "bot".

This kind of promotion can backfire on you quickly if people don't like it (and should they?). It makes us feel exploited, used and ignored. And then we will dislike your videos.

I am discussing the topic with people here and funnily enough no one apart from 2 people on the thread ACTUALLY wants to talk about the topic. Instead they just want to run here and castigate me for violating some forum etiquette I simply was not familiar with. Are you interested in why Bane got demoted or are you just here to chastise me further?

You can thank me later.