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Hmm I havent done that encounter in a while. Last patch I couldnt play because of a bug.

I dont recall him automaticly knowing about the weapon, is that new?

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Originally Posted by Demoulius
Hmm I havent done that encounter in a while. Last patch I couldnt play because of a bug.

I dont recall him automaticly knowing about the weapon, is that new?
He doesnt know you have it if you dont tell him

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He assumes it, I don't think he knows definitively that we have it, but he seems sure that the people from the ship they're looking for do have it. I think even if he reads your mind he only knows we were on the ship, but I haven't done that scene after the artifact bridge scene.

Maybe we're all jumping the gun here, and Voss is a double-agent doing what he can to keep the weapon out of Vlaakith's hands...or maybe it'll be retconned that way later.

Lae'zel makes a lot out of following protocol and the Kithrak breaking it, but it's difficult not to see her as deluding herself there, I wonder.

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Originally Posted by Demoulius
Hmm I havent done that encounter in a while. Last patch I couldnt play because of a bug.

I dont recall him automaticly knowing about the weapon, is that new?
He doesnt know you have it if you dont tell him

This is not correct.

If you let Laezel speak, for instance, and you encourage her to tell the truth:

He says something along the lines of, "Wait, you were on the ship. That means you have the weapon."

To which, Laezel responds with something like, "Stand down, Knight. I do not have that which you seek."

These are not exact quotes, just off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by N7Greenfire
Originally Posted by Demoulius
Hmm I havent done that encounter in a while. Last patch I couldnt play because of a bug.

I dont recall him automaticly knowing about the weapon, is that new?
He doesnt know you have it if you dont tell him

This is not correct.

If you let Laezel speak, for instance, and you encourage her to tell the truth:

He says something along the lines of, "Wait, you were on the ship. That means you have the weapon."

To which, Laezel responds with something like, "Stand down, Knight. I do not have that which you seek."

These are not exact quotes, just off the top of my head.

OK, for variety, my barbarian spoke up...chose a bold answer...Drow said something like..." Finally a wolf among the sheep"...I saved against having my mind read...made another save to read his mind...He was thinking to let me live, pretty sure all I had to do is say Yes Sir, I will help you find the artifact. Paraphrase...cuz I chose another path...ATTACK!!!! RAWWWWRRR!!!...IMA TYRANNOSAURUSES REX (Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines reference).

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Originally Posted by JandK
First, I don't know why he jumps to the conclusion that the party has the weapon. "You were on the ship! You must have the weapon." --um, there were a lot of folks on the ship who don't have the weapon, right?--
He is a soldier after all ... they tend to have, lets say "focused" vision. laugh
Someone from the ship have the weapon > you were on the ship > there is chance you have the weapon > you must be killed and searched.
This is just how they work.

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Second, why would he fly away instead of immediately taking the weapon? I don't think this question is so easily answered, though. Maybe the weapon is dangerous? Maybe he's trying to get away from it and sacrificing Baretha.
That seems odd ...
Even if that weapon would be so dangerous, he would most likely just fly to save distance and watch us ... i mean he WANTS to get it after all, why go through all those troubles just to let it go?

Nah, this is most likely pure 90' movie misstake where bad guy have exactly what he want in the grasp, but leave hero with his minions bcs "fighting them personaly is beneath him".

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Furthermore, I'm guessing that the sentience within the artifact is actually the dream person we're seeing, as opposed to a manifestation of the tadpole itself.
Interesting asumption ...
But then why would it give us "parting gift" that quite certainly seems to be linked to Illithids?
(I mean, look at that animations ... they may not be litteraly what happened there, but still send a message about origin of that powers.)

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Lae'zel makes a lot out of following protocol and the Kithrak breaking it, but it's difficult not to see her as deluding herself there, I wonder.
There was a scene in the past (now removed) when Kithrak said to Lae'zel that whole purifying protocol is a lie told to young Githyanki so they return after being infected, and are killed before they turn.
I believe his exact words were: "Oh Lae'zel, why the truth must be so bitter ... there is no cure, only in death infected are puryfied ... Beretha, kill her, make it swift and clean."

We also know that Vlaakith is treacherous ... insert insult here ... and is killing her own knights, once they get enough power to be danger for her ruleship. Its not so hard for me to imagine that Kithrak was actualy perfectly loayal .. and Lae'zel just naive. laugh

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Originally Posted by JandK
If you let Laezel speak, for instance, and you encourage her to tell the truth:
He says something along the lines of, "Wait, you were on the ship. That means you have the weapon."
To which, Laezel responds with something like, "Stand down, Knight. I do not have that which you seek."
Yeah, but she is still infected ... even tho she dont have weapon, it kinda makes sense that he still wants her executed. :-/

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Originally Posted by Van'tal
ATTACK!!!! RAWWWWRRR!!!...IMA TYRANNOSAURUSES REX (Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines reference).
I dont remember that one. O_o
Can you remind me?


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It's difficult to judge about the story elements without knowing the background and what is to come. Maybe there is a reason for Kithraks behavior, maybe not.

I don't have a problem with meeting the Giths early. In a relatively open world, that's a danger you have to deal with. You know that they are dangerous and should be avoided as much as possible, at least that's what I did. I never trusted Lae'zel in her uncritical admiration to her kin, judging from her behavior and what she tells. Is there a use of being released from the tadpole while being killed?

I fought the Giths once, from the dialog (fight preparation with pre-knowledge in mind for me is absolutely out of order), when I used a mod to open up the level cap. As I saw that they were level 5 I did it with my party at level 5, but using only level 4 abilities (so, tier 2 spells). I won, with difficulties and perhaps luck. The higher hp alone helped, with the use of tier 3 spells it would have been an almost easy fight. So in release they should be manageable at level 5.

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RAWWWWRRR!!!...IMA TYRANNOSAURUSES REX (Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines reference).

I dont remember that one. O_o
Can you remind me?

Answer: You have to be a Malkavian.

After the museum you get an option to tell La'Croix..."But I had fun, there were dinosaurs"

Later on the joke is carried further with the line above (more or less).

...I played Malkavian first and loved it!...like completely spoiled for every other play-through.

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Interesting ...
I will check, next time. smile Thank you!


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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