Originally Posted by Tuco
Originally Posted by GM4Him
Okay. Quite honestly, I know D&D, but I'll stick up for Icelyn on this one. Low level mage's can be REAL frustrating when you don't have your spells. Everyone else in the party is the hero at low levels. You cast the occasional level 1 or 2 spell, and everyone else is hammering your enemies while you throw mostly Fire Bolt or some other cantrip. Mages don't really start to take off until level 5.

So, I can totally understand a mage player wanting to rest more frequently. Who wants to feel like a side kick in your own story?
1- Cantrip were designed precisely to address this issue. And you start with a certain amount of spell slots from the get go.

2- It's NOWHERE near as frustrating as it used to be in, say, AD&D and BG2 where a caster was literally useless an entire day after one magic missile.

3- No one in the party is supposed to be self-sufficient all the times. "B-but when I'm out of spell slots that character does better". Well, not shit. Conversely when you are not you outperform everyone else and can do basically everything, so there's that. It's an overall balancing act.

4- It's not like people are expecting you to go for days with only cantrips, but ideally you shouldn't get the free pass to blow your entire load every three goblins either.

Hey. I don't really disagree. I'm just saying that I get where someone like Icelyn is coming from. She's not alone in that lots of players want to be able to cast spells a lot if they play wizards so that they feel like they are the heroes as opposed to the side kicks. It's kinda the superhero mentality. Who wants to play a side kick?

That said, even in most superhero games, each superhero has limits to how often they can use their high powered super powers, and those that are standard attack powers are nerfed to balance the game.

But that's not really on topic, and we probably should let the whole "frequency of long rests and how it relates to spellcasters" thing go. Composer's gonna get on us if we don't stick to "how many long rests do you use" topic. smile