Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Is Helia a Bloodhunter?

That's a big speculation, but if datamined stuff is correct and Helia is a werewolf, then she may be a bloodhunter. Bloodhunters have a subclass called Order of Lycan, which allows transforming into a werewolf. If Larian will add Bloodhunter, this will be a big surprise
I kknow they said that they will stick to PHB classes, but maybe they want to surprise us

What do you think

If they add unofficial, unlicensed, homebrew classes before they add the rest of the actually official classes and subclasses I'll be... well, no I'm too jaded to be legitimately annoyed, I guess, but I'll be disappointed and displeased.

Wasn't Helia datamined to be a bard?

Yup ...
But that was in the same time Karlach was datamined as Paladin. :-/

I thought there were some werewolf tags... though I might be wrong, it's been a while since I read that. Even if it's true, going by how Larian handled Astarion's vampirism... who knows what they homebrew for a werewolf. And if Helia is a werewolf, the companion list is... interestingly... balanced.

(M - melee oriented classes or melee oriented character design)
(R - ranged classes or ranged oriented character design)

Lae'zel - fighter. (M)
Shadowheart - cleric. (M)
Astarion - rogue. (M)
Karliah - barbarian (based on the latest info) or paladin (based on the old tags) (M)

Gale - wizard. (R)

Helia - werewolf bard. (R/M) (possibly melee) (M)
Minsc - ranger (R) (but possibly with berserker (M) stat spread & abilities - if they go with his BG1/2 & comics profile, so again possibly melee)
Wyll - warlock (R) (but melee character design (M) (with his guard history & rapier-attack AI) - possibly if we get more pacts, eg: pact of the blade )

Of course, we can specialize them so they're not so melee-heavy and if we can multiclass them later, it's even better but... meh.

Is there any new datamined content about Helia? She might be abandoned.

On a side note, I am very concerned about companion characters that are not included in the EA yet. Even the ones we have are not in a very good shape yet with all those feedback.

I still think that paladin would fit Karlach much better than barbarian

And I really hope, Helia stays a bard - the beginning of a great band

With her statistics ... Shadowheart is certainly not Meele Cleric. :-/
For that she would either need more strength, or profficiency with some Finesse weapon. :-/

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Also where did you get this?
Ranged Sneak Attack exists, and its freaking effective!

Have you also imagine her as Oathbreaker with powers of hell?

With her statistics ... Shadowheart is certainly not Meele Cleric. :-/
For that she would either need more strength, or profficiency with some Finesse weapon. :-/
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My melee cleric in tabletop is a 8 STR, 8 DEX Dwarf Life Cleric with a shield and a bare hand. Armor training negates the movement penalty and I use cantrips for attack.

I get shoved a lot, that is a problem

But anyway, melee cleric shouldn't mean weapon attacks.

It seems i get lost ...
What is so "meele" about it again? O_o

I don't know who Helia is, but I hope she's not a werewolf. As somoene who loves werewolves, I don't want to see what Larian does with one in this game. I cannot imagine how it wouldn't feel out of place and with people already complaining about companions feeling over the top, I don't want people to get more annoyed.

Also, I find the idea of Karlach being a paladin to be really weird. What god would she be paladin of and how? Wasn't she born and raised in hell, only to just be freed? That's what was datamined sure, but it doesn't really make sense to me.Granted I don't know what other class she could be, but berserker does make more sense given she fought in some great, bloody hell-war.

I meant front liner. She (my cleric) is a great tank.

No. She's going back to Baldur's Gate to get revenge on the people who sent her there. That's why she says the streets will run red.

M - melee oriented classes or melee oriented character design.
Clerics are a melee oriented class. See: class recommented attributes on any official site & common playstyles. Some specializations can deviate from that, but that is a whole other topic. (Shadowheart being an average tank has no bearing on clerics as a class) Rogues rarely outshine actual ranged classes at range but are comparatively better in melee. If your ranged!Astarion can consistently out-dps your melee!Astarion & you have a different opinion, play as you like ofc. More power to you. Wyll is a ranged class with a melee oriented character design.


So is mine!! I love my dwarven life cleric. <3 She can take a lot of hits while keeping everyone alive. Granted, I rolled somewhat higher str (14) but her dex is right there with yours. The high con and heavy armor do their job, hehe.

Ahh, thank you for clearing that up. It's been a while since I played the game and I clearly had not remembered things right.

As she said, back in hell, she had fire in her veins ... that sounded like a Oathbreaker to me.
I dunno what happens to Paladin who loose favour of his god, but since we can play Good Cleric of Baal ... i wouldnt be suprised if Karlach would still get her power from Zariel.

Well, that changes things.

Can i ask for source?
Since as far as people around here was talking, Cleric seems like one of classes that *can* be played as meele, but also pretty well as ranged one ... just as for example Rogue, wich you also marked as meele. O_o

I'm not very plugged into D&D lore and such so I just assumed "fire in her veins" was either poetic, or a way of saying she had some sort of generic hell-power supercharging her abilities, it didn't read to me as obviously a paladin thing, and I'm not really up on how Oathbreaker paladins work. So it seems that evidence just went over my head. In which case, a tiefling paladin of a demon of some sort would be an interesting character. If I were going to play an Origin, she sounds like the one I'd go for first.

Karlach was born and raised in Baldurs Gate. She was abducted to fight in the blood war. So yeah, nothing weird at all, she could have any god, though she is supposed to be good alligned, so probably a good god.

I wonder how that interacts with Zariel's control and Zariel's blessings. I mean, could a divine class lose access to its divine powers if the (good) god was in opposition to the 'patron'-type relationship she had with Zariel (an evil aligned fallen celestial)?

I guess that is, what Rag meant with Oathbreaker paladin