Ill start with where I agree with you...
the pits / holes in here where you can endlessly fall or have some other weird stuff is unacceptable. I have similar experiences in other parts of the Goblin keep.
But I just did this fight the other day and had such a different experience that I am dumbfounded.
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The point, for me at least, is not that you can't win the fight (knowing about shove + holes etc) - it's that shove is not meant to be that powerful.
As others have stated - multiple times, here and elsewhere - It needs to be returned to an action and and work as noted in the rules. It is simply too unbalanced in its current form.
Ditto for magehand.
Questions:
1. In DND rules, does invisibility give more success chance for a shove? (mage hand irrelevant, just in general).
If not, seems invis buffing shove is a dissectable issue. For example, what does make shove in DND more or less likely to fail? Strength? If so, then move on to next step:
2. In DND rules, can mage hand try to shove, but it would almost never succeed because of how weak it is?
If so, that's like the current game so it's consistent. I don't think my regular mage hand, under current build, has ever sucessfuly shoved. Only the invisible Githyanki one.
On the other hand, If a mage hand can't even try to shove in real DND, then yea I can see the issue with mage hand having a shove button in game (though in practice, it's a useless button unless it is invis, which may make sense depending on answer to my first question.
What makes shove s overpowered in BG vs DND? Why dont more players use it to push enemies off cliffs and/orr away from themselves? (besides the action vs bonus action difference - thanks for poiinting that out as i didnt know that.
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Lastly, and Im not implying anything about anyone with this, but I have probably been shoved two or three times in my 570 clocked hours of gameplay. Not exaggerating. So I am also curious if there's other things happening like game version, stat preferences, strategy choices, or what, because I remember patch notes a while back "nerfing" shove. Or maybe I just happen to like characters with whatever makes you resistant to shove. Or not having mods. I really don't know.
