Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Rework Fly and Climb Mechanics

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Yeah, from that standpoint it surely seems doable, but I won't be satisfied with "hovering at a fixed coordinate", while being able to only move in X and Y axis. Would you? The only thing I can expect from the toolset BG3 has now is another poor man's flight which won't be much different in quality from what we have now, that is. It also seems like ragdolls are tied to elevation as of now (correct me if I am wrong) and having a creature or an NPC fly from height of N corresponding to one surface would turn into the height of N+M when going 1 level up in elevation. Some extra work would need to be done to ensure the smooth transition, which once again might not be possible as of now. I am only speaking chances here though, I'd be glad if all those cool suggestions above are added in a final game properly

The dragon scene is surely scripted. Didn't know about the floating bug! Do you by chance have any footage of it? Couldn't find any through the search.


Thanks for bothering! I was on the road back then, you eased it for me a great deal

Its ben some time when i checked this ...
But as i did, oposite was the truth.

I remember i was trying it in Dror Ragzlin throne room ... and i remember that game didnt recognized at all how high ( :D) i was compared to my targets ...
If i remember corectly i was even able to use shocking grasp to some random goblin while sitting on rafters(?).


Me neither ... i have just fundamental basics of Jawa ... and i never had any especialy good grades in that field either.

But from my limited perspective it heavily depends on what is allready implemented ...

IF (and that is a big if) mrfuji3 is corect and the game is able tog5i work with Z-Axis it should be trivial for purely vertical movement ... and fairly easy for everything else because there is still a line of motion in a right-angled triangle.

On the other hand if im right and the game engine dont understand the idea behind Z axis ... then it would be nearly impossible since it would require changes in the very core of that engine and that can screw litteraly everything. :-/

+ 1000

YES!
But I have a feeling that most people who love the game, aint the D&D gameplay part.
In order or importance:

1. Pretty faces and graphics
2. NPC romance interactions
3.Story
4. LOOT
....
10. D&D gameplay
11. UI design
...
20. Gameworld Immersion

Maybe I am a minority, but I would prefer a proper RPG game with Super Nintendo graphics over a visually perfect dating sim.

BG3 is a very good game, bur Solasta is way better in giving me a proper DnD feeling.

So I would say:
- my favourite game in giving me a DnD feeling: Solasta
- my favourite game where the environment and story has a huge emotional effect on me: Nier Automata
- my favourite game that presents a believable fantasy world: The Witcher 3

BG3 has many great ideas and it looks good, but the game mechanics and UI/controlling characters sometimes try really hard to ruin my fun.

Wormie's 2 cents:

It is not a hill I am willing to die on. I think there are far more pressing concernes that potential implementation (or even lack) of flight and spidercrawl.

I do think that what Solasta did with verticality, flight and spider crawl was superb - especially when combined with darkness fighting spiders who could walk on walls, felt really good. Mechanically sold on the idea of fighting giant spiders, something that teleporting spitting spiders of BG3 just don't convey. Having a rogue crawl on walls, or having my mage fly out of danger, was very cool as well.

Even if possible to implement in BG3, such 3 dementional freedom of movement might be another game and progression breaking feature - not something that BG3 needs more of, I think. If flight will be implemented in a way similar to D:OS2 it will be particulaly unappealing considering how far reaching the jump is already. If jump was greatly nerfed and flight would extend it + provide hovering: I think there would be a decent utility of it and would make the game overall feel better. And I must say, that flighers were somewhat annoying to deal with in Solasta, and BG3 at the moment lacks some crucial things like ready action. Not that Larian shouldn't try to implement flying creaters, but I wonder if they could come up with something better then them being unreachable.

Spidercrawl is the more interesting to me, as an ability to walk on walls could be restrictive enough to make it compelling. Personally, ladders being a "teleport" obect, rather then vertical walking has been my petpeve for a while. It feels off how much ground can one seemingly cover when game treats ladders as interactable teleports between planes. I don't know how useful spidercrawl would be in BG3 without serious redesign of arenas - I can't think of a spot that I would like to climb, where there woudln't be a ladder already or a way of jumping up.

What can I say? Go fo em archers!! They are the squishiest after all, highly exposed to sleep and insta-kill

Verticality would be so much more interresting if it wasnt only about falling or eventually jumping down.

Flying and climbing (with your strenght or with spells like spider walk) would make a lot of sense and would definitely make the game better. But at this point this is not a top priority to me tbh.

Levitate would actually be a really cool spell to avoid being Shoved into lava / river / off a cliff. You'd just hover without falling. Seems useful with the amount of shoving and lethal falls we have.

+1

Should be easy to implement as well

Levitate would be easily for their engine - very similar to the DOS2 Polymorph wings. When you floated, you didn't touch the surfaces.

Go play Anthem? I don't get it! What's with this obsession of flying. Don't you people get it? it's totally and utterly broken. The game is prone to cheese as is i believe larian fly would make it even worse. Sorry i just don't feel the need to be superman.


It's ok to like solasta more.:)

Oh ok! 🤪

Fly isn't broken. It adds a different level of strategy to the game. Concentration means if the mage takes too much damage they might fall to their deaths, so you have to be careful who you're fighting against. The spell can save a mage against melee attackers, but ranged enemies could kill them.

And it's not just about YOUR mage flying. It's about having birds and other winged creatures actually flying. Harpies hovering in the air above you so you have to peg them with spells and bows as opposed to melee weapons, or your bird animal companion flying above non-ranged phase spiders so they can't hit it so it can scout caves for you without dying. There's a lot to flying done right.

That sounds all good on paper but when you add it to larian game it is wide open to cheese. They have open combat design the battlefield is more complex. I wouldn't be upset if they made it.
But like i said, i really don't feel the need to fly.

I believe making ground combat good is hard as is adding flying just makes it that much harder. I really don't want the return of jumping frogs fiasco or the new shove combat all over again just with fly this time around.
We have way too much ranged combat already IMO.
Without even getting fly. i can already see people casting fly and hiding the casters. You can do that even without stealth because AI isn't smart enough to counter it and that just one of many cheese options.