Originally Posted by GM4Him
The point is, YOU decide.
Up to this point, agreed with everything. smile
Glad we understand each other, really. ^_^

But:
Originally Posted by GM4Him
Use the tadpole powers and suddenly you get the Dream Lover sequence. Then in the morning you find that you are changing and transforming. Um. Whoop whoop! Red Flag! If I keep being evil I'm going to turn into a mind flayer. I keep using my powers. Whoop Whoop! Dream Lover again and now we're getting sick. Red flag! If I keep being evil I'm going to turn into a mind flayer.

Im not really sure where you get this paralel ...

Yes, you use your tadpole > you get dream lover ...
But then "in the morning" ... all you find out is that you have new powers.

No changing or transforming was ever mentioned as far as i remember (i just checked some videos on youtube to be sure and nope) ...
Even your party members are mostly fine with the situation at this point.

Here is first dream:


Yes, if you keep using our powers > you get sick and THEN you meet dream lover again ... its it completely oposite order, wich is important even if that may not seem that way ...
Bcs this way:
Something made you sick ... was that usage of powers? Yes, maybe.
(surely if you metagame, but presuming its your first gameplay, or you simply dont ... you dont know, at least not for sure ... even your companions presume its effect of ceremorphosis ... NOT using tadpole powers wich nobody mentioned)
Then you meet your dream lover ...
And now in the morning you are good as new.

So ... the conclusion dot really fits in my opinion:
If anything, you can get to conclusion that the person from your dreams actualy protected you from the sickness, that was caused by presence of tadpole. smile
But cant really see how to get to that other way around. laugh

Here your companions starts to get suspicious about tadpole powers ... kinda late tho ...

Here is second dream:


Only if you push even futer your companions become openly agry ...
Funny enough, so will your dream lover ... coincidence?
I believe that if he would be the same character as your tadpole, he would hardly be mad at you that you keep using tadpole powers. wink

Here is third dream:


BTW ...
Just a little joke of mine, since all tadpole sequences are working the same no matter who will use the tadpole powers ... i especialy enjoy forcing Shadowheart to use it, and then join my companions roasting her for being weak and endanger us all. laugh
Fun stuff. laugh

Originally Posted by GM4Him
If I join Minthara and kill the tieflings and druids. Whoop Whoop! Negative consequence. Half my party leaves or hates me. More signs that we're turning. Lae'zel tries to kill me.
Well ... no. :-/

Laezel try to kill you before your first night. laugh
All that happens here is that Wyll will leave you for sure, and Gale will try (but can be persuated not to) ...

Originally Posted by GM4Him
In short, my point is that we are punished for being evil so that it makes us force ourselves to be evil. That's not really how evil works. It entices you and rewards you up front for being evil so that you keep wanting to be evil. I'm saying that Larian should create more rewards for being evil so that even if you are a "good" player you might still be very tempted to be evil.
I disagree with this completely ...

There are some punishments sure, but some you can easily avoid even tho you are evil ... and some are not really punishing for your character if you are evil (yes this is purely subjective im aware) ...

So sumarized they arent really punishments "for being evil" ... they are negative consequences for your choices ... and that is fine by me.

Also i really dont want Larian to create any "rewards for being evil, so we are tempted" since this simply isnt the case in this story.

And finaly ... what i love most about this game are nuances:
You are talking about tadpole usage and dreams ... before we were talking about attacking the grove ... next time we can talk about helping Gut, or Spaw ... next time we can talk about Gnome slaves ... or about helping Zariel's "paladins" or Karlach ...
But those all are completely different stories, unrelated to each other. wink

There is no "evil path" as people often say ... there are evil choices in certain points in many quests ... and thats what i love. :3


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown