I didn’t think she told you that until *after* you agree to help her, but could be wrong there. You could well be right that I simply wasn’t paying enough attention to exactly what she was asking me to do.
I admit ... you got me confused now if i didnt remember it wrong.
I was allready writing coment on being wrong myself in that case ... but then i said to myself "nah, better check" ... so here it is: 2:08.
It also shows quest reward obtainable only this way. :3 This coment is related to previous discusion.
Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
The fact Minthara isn’t expecting a lie here so probably wouldn’t actively be looking for deception argues to me that the deception check might be an easy one, but not that it’s not applicable at all.
Well ... Dunno, i gues it depends on your understanding of rules.
My interpretation was what i said ... Even tho i didnt expressed myself corectly, i shouldnt say that she "dont expect you to lie" ... i should have said that "it dont matter to her" ... I mean, she wants you to betray the Grove ... > If you are honest ... you will help her. > If you are dishonest ... she will attack the grove, just as she would if you werent there.
Basicaly there is no difference between her discovering your lie or not ... and if there is no difference, there is no need for roll.
Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
If we turn it around, there are occasions where I don’t have any particular reason to disbelieve an NPC but my insight can alert me to something they’re not being wholly truthful about, or I don’t have reason to think what a companion says is not the whole truth but our linked tadpoles reveal there’s more to the story.
That is just PC game stuff ... In tabletop you need to ask (or your DM asks you) for Insight roll ... in pc game, the game knows where you can roll and when there is no reason ... it takes away a bit of mistery, but since most of those reveals we get are hardly surprising, its not that bad.
Would be fun tho, if the game would make some fake-inside rolls, just so Narator tells you "she seems honest". Just to keep us a little on edge.
Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
I think of this as in effect them failing a deception check, and equivalently Minthara’s insight or tadpole could alert her to my not being on the level, despite her not expecting it. But if there’s actually a different mechanism from deception within 5e that would or should be used to trigger an NPC insight check or special power like the tadpoles when I’m not telling the truth, then I’m happy to be corrected, and to change my suggestion to use whatever that is instead.
I wouldnt drag tadpoles into this at all ... they only makes this more messy.
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
