But what if I would have really wanted to start the combat by shoving the high-positioned scout while I was stealthed, but I want that to be not guaranteed? I think it should be a check at advantage. This can't be done in BG3.
I'm confused here...you and others say shove automatically succeeds from stealth but I am sure I have failed (not sure which patch version)...
Shoving the dude on a box outside the temple/crypt where you find Withers.
So I think it has a high success chance...but not 100%. Am I missing something / not understanding the problem / mis-remembering?
Enemy sight cones are a poor mechanic for stealth. Enemies also have ears that they should be able to notice things with. And yet in BG3, even if I don't press shift to view their sight cones, I can still easily guess their location and automatically succeed by sneaking up behind them.
While not ideal...its been used in a lot of games. Adding hearing checks, while more realistic and perhaps more faithful to the rules seems like overkill and complicated depending on the implementation.
Same as above. I want to attempt to stealth while in heavy armor, because it should be still possible if unlikely. But BG3 doesn't allow this - it's 100% chance if I just stay out of the enemy's direct sight.
You can and you can stealth in vision cones in heavy armor as long as you pass the checks with disadvantage or get a buff that nullifies it. So again I may be missing your point if you are saying wearing heavy armor outside a vision cone should still be an auto fail because you are heard...I disagree on many levels...reallity or DnD.
BG3's stealth mechanics don't allow me to play in a way that I think is reasonable. It gives auto-success to too many things, trivializing the experience and making it not enjoyable because of the lack of risk/chance.
I use stealth a lot with my rogues and rangers and while I can cheese it if I choose to, I can choose not to cheese it and it works decently.
Curious, if NPCS had say a 9-meter circle around them as well as the vision cone, would that address the largest part of your concerns? So that if you are in their vision or their 9-meter (arbitrary number pulled out of rear-end) "perception area" you have to roll a stealth check?
