So, it's weird, unreal, and I literally can't play with a decent working stealth system which would have enemies potentially spot you if you sneak around DURING someone's combat to try to save the damsel in distress.
So ... dont? :-/
No really, you are absolutely corect ... its weird, unreal and totaly crazy ...
But its also something you cant really do unaware, accidentaly, or non-intentionally ...
YOU have to freeze that character in combat / conversation / turn ...w/e ...
YOU then must pick another chacacter and stealth it around ...
YOU then must go steal all his items / save damsel in distress / i dunno, scratch his butt secretly
w/e ... *insert weird action here*
Again ... yes, its weird, unreal and it certainly breaks some rule of logic if not the game itself.
But thats the whole purpose of exploits ...
I mean isnt that logical?
That person who freeze some character in conversation in order to steal all his possession with another character ... wanted to do that? O_o
I know this was said several times allready ... mostly by me.
But this is once again standing in the fire and complaining that you feel hot. :-/
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Why should we assume that at higher levels, difficulty isn't going to be balanced around various exploits?
Bcs there is litteraly nothing supporting that idea present in EA? O_o
Bcs that is litteraly
not what exploits are for?
Bcs Swen himself told us in various interviews that they like to keep this
OPTIONS for players who like to do crazy stuff?
Bcs it would completely negate whole purpose of EA?
I mean if you want people to test your mechanics, what purpose would that have if for final release you would throw away everything that was tested for last 2y+ and implement something entirely different?
Maybe i could find some more ... but i hope this will surfice.
Why wouldn't they give enemies more health when they know that players can throw healing potions?
Bcs throwing potions is far from being the only, or the best way to heal your party?
Why wouldn't they think "hey there should be a sneak puzzle here," thus forcing players to engage in the exploitable stealth system?
There allready is sneak puzzle ...
Two of them actualy.
One is in Druid passage, those statues.
And second is in the Underdark, Turrets around mage tower.
How you exploited either of them?
Why would they create all these systems and then forget about them when designing the rest of the game?
Why would they tho?
Look, i like you uncolored spirit ... but reading this, i cant help the feeling that your fear clouded your judgement ... i hope it was just purposefully written this way and it dont reflects your actual expectations. :-/
But this is path to madness ...
You cant go out, bcs car *could* drive over you ... but you also cant stay home, bcs "most accidents happens at home" ... etc.
Yes, bad things *can* happen ... but what is reason to fear them if there is litteraly nothing pointing out that their probability is at least average? :-/
(Hint: There is none.
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it hacks off chunks of potentially interesting content.
Depends on your point of view ...
For some people looking for flaws in system and basicaly (pardon my language) fucking with it is exactly the interesting content ...
As Swen said it in one interview (only paraphrasing) ... when player finds out something like this, they feel smart ... bcs they "managed to overcome the system" ... and for that reason, Larian dont remove theese things ...
And i would like to add to this that we need to take under concideration that playing like this is never possible in long therms ... players usualy have their fun (some longer than others i have seen videos of people puting buckets on Vendor's head for HOURS in Skyrim) ... but sooner or later, it gets boring and cheap, since when nothing is challenging, nothing feels rewarding ... and thats the point those people start play regular way (by the rules).
But you have to let them get there themselves ...
You have your fun, they have their fun ... eventualy you meet in the finish line anyway.
And even if someone will cheese and exploit through whole game, not solving even a single puzzle, conversation, fight ... nothing in "regular" way ... but still have fun, so what?
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If the mechanic is totally unrealistic and/or completely undermines other mechanics, I don't think it's a good mechanic.
And you are right ... this sounds like something that could be used as definition of Exploit.
You literally don't need the Stealth skill
Only if you are going to do that ...
And again, why would you?
How would some of us like this to be fixed? If your other characters are anywhere within say 300 feet (doesn't have to be 300. Just throwing out a number) of the "frozen" characters, pull them into turn-based mode too. Even if enemies aren't aware of said other characters, time is slowed down for everyone in the area so that there is still the potential for your other characters to sneak around and snatch things while the enemy is distracted, but it isn't so absolute. Then also give the enemy the ability to detect via sound, not just sight cones. So Stealth is used even if you try to maneuver a character around sight cones to get behind them.
I wonder if you realize that all this would change is that your MC who i "freezing" the vendor would need to do that further from the original place ... so you are out of hearing range.
Then you would simply skip through your other character turns ... and dont continue in that conversation, or start it over again ...
And the outcome would be that you would once again exactly the same way steal litteraly everything that poor guy have without him even having a chance to noticing. O_o
