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I think what they should do instead is to establish that such a thing as an Elven beard does exist, but that it's very rare and only for the oldest of Elves, and even then that it has a particular look to it, which would be Elrond (Half Elven) in the Hobbit Cartoon. That beard type is specific though - it's basically the Abe Lincoln Quaker style beard, sans mustache. I think they should go a step further though, and make it so that this particular beard type doesn't even really have the chin hair, but is more like a very elaborate sideburns. This way players can reconcile Cirdan in LotR with the D&D stuff.

The question of Elven mustachios is way more fraught. Going down that road, perhaps they get something sufficiently weird there too, like only very light handlebars and nothing on the philtrum at all. These and only would be acceptable!

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Originally Posted by Alorin
As well as much, much more (the same nude mod will be for sure). In any case, I don't think such an argument is important, in the sense: That since there will be then let's do Larian yourself. Mods are notable for the fact that you either use them on or not. You either watch video reviews with the game on mods - or you don't. As I said, but for some reason you ignored my words:
If I see a video with mods, it will be fine, because it will be what the players themselves have done. Players come up with all sorts of things (some mods are very good), but what Larian will do in BG 3 will become the history of the game and its canons.

Do you understand the difference in the relationship here, or do I need to explain it in more detail?

I don't think anyone is ignoring anything, Alorin. Ok, so you say the stream thing isn't important, so I'll leave that.
So now addressing the point that if it's made an official option it disrupts the lore of the game world.

How? Only in your mind, as this would not be a way that you play. They don't use it on their NPC's so you wouldn't see it in your game. However, Larian has already decided and for good reason, that appearance modications should allow more freedom for creation, not less.
This is evidenced in the creator already, yes? This is a logical extension of the same.

Even if you disagree with that, then your argument still undoes itself. Player characters are by definition not canon. Their outcome is undetermined. What Larian does with the world and all the NPCs in that world, are canon.
Fighting against an option you won't use nor will you see on an NPC, is at that point just telling other players to stop liking what you don't like. That's not too cool.

She smiled only barely, though inwardly she was practically dancing. "Oh this?", she said as she playfully ran her graceful elvish fingers through the golden beard that reached nearly to her knees. "Well... gentlemen, if I must confess... we Elves being a superior species are easily able to grow such signs of wisdom and power. In fact, we usually will ourselves for it not to grow, just out of ease of daily activities. Well.. also not to make any of the other races feel any more... inadequate." The silly Humans and their astonished reaction told her all she needed to know. Never more would she be merely Elana. Now comes the rise of Beardgelica the Great.

To have it your way, she never gets to exist. What did Beardgelica the Great ever do to you?

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Originally Posted by Alorin
but for some reason you ignored my words:
I simply missed it, there is nothing nefarious. smile

Originally Posted by Alorin
but what Larian will do in BG 3 will become the history of the game and its canons.
I dont think this is true ...

Bcs, same as with pale skin Drow, it was suggested by PrivateRaccoon to be clearly marked as something that is simply allowed by the engine for players to just have fun if they want to, but its not canon. smile
And this is not how somethig "can be" or "should be" or anything simmilary vague ... this is how things ARE right now! wink


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Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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No for bearded elves, please. That's all I have to say.

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I'm just waiting for anyone to explain how being opposed to an appearance option that isn't present on any NPC, and would be an extended optional character creation choice like the ones already present, isn't just "Stop liking what I don't like".

I don't think they can.

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I'm just waiting for anyone to explain how being opposed to an appearance option that isn't present on any NPC, and would be an extended optional character creation choice like the ones already present, isn't just "Stop liking what I don't like".

I don't think they can.

That's a pretty reductive way of dismissing other people's objections to your idea, it's far more nuanced than that.

So where do we draw the line? Do we respect the source material or should players also be allowed to create 6ft tall Dwarves, Half-Orcs with wings or Gnomes with tails? These examples, while extreme, are also 'appearance options' that some might desire.

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Is it though? Draw the line for what, exactly? Where is the nuance? Nobody is asking for any NPC's to be changed or added to the world, so source material is completely respected in all cases. That's the point about the distinction that Larian controls the NPC's.
You also seem to think that any of the other examples in your list would not also be awesome possibilities. Likely to see any of it? Not really. But all three of your examples could be really awesome player characters, that create awesome stories, and generate hours of fun for only the people that should choose to make such a character without bothering any other player beyond the mere knowledge that they exist. Which is why I'm failing to see any nuance, just purity tests. Which is gross.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by Alorin
Because elves DON'T HAVE beards. Never. And so you create a character who has a beard and IT's still called an elf - why?
Actualy ...
PrivateRaccoon got a good point.

As long as we will be creating pink haired Drows with green eyes and white skin ... and still call it a Drow.
As long as we will be creating beardless Dwarves with white Hair and skin black as night ... and still call them a Hill Dwarf.
People should be allowed to create bearded Elf ... and call it an Elf.

Its exactly the same deviation ... all or nothing! Same rules for everyone.

I am convinced by your argument.

All these nonsense cosmetic 'options' should be removed. wink

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Fine by me. laugh


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
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