Originally Posted by Flooter
Originally Posted by JandK
So. What's the want? What is it that the "upset" people in the community want? Feedback on their feedback?
Good question.

Tl;dr : I went into EA expecting insight into BG3’s creation. Larian stating their goals and needs with each iteration of the game would suffice.


Here’s a quote from Larian’s early access disclaimer:
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Early Access gives players a chance to participate in development and it gives us an opportunity to explore different game ideas with a live community.
I don’t need to sit in meetings to feel like I’m participating. But if the feedback I provide is 0% relevant because features are secretly locked in, or if my suggestion’s aim goes against Larian’s goals, then I aint participating one lick.

Participation requires some level of insight into development, of which we have none. Hence, I specifically want a post guiding feedback. They could ask questions like “are we achieving this goal?” They could rope off topics they’ve settled. They could state plainly what they want.

Saying they want “any and all feedback” isn’t helpful because it doesn’t seem to be true.

Consider the second half of the quote: “[EA] gives us an opportunity to explore different game ideas with a live community.” How many “game ideas” have been explored in early access?

If memory serves (which it may not), features are rolled out, then tweaked once. That’s it. Going to camp feels weird? Minicamps! End of discussion. Resting is off? Camping supplies! Iteration over. I can’t think of any game system that’s been changed twice.

Where’s the exploration with a live community? Where’s the exploration at all? If Larian are just following their plan, most feedback doesn’t help. If they’re still open to iterate on everything, then they’re way behind schedule.

I assume the truth lies somewhere in between; it would be nice for Larian to let us know where.

Edit:
Originally Posted by GM4Him
Just because I won't doesn't mean others won't really enjoy doing it.
Oh they definitely will. I’m positive there will be some impressive cosplay and artwork in there, the sum total of which will require significant time and money. That’s what makes the practice ethically iffy.

It’s a private company asking for unpaid volunteers to help it profit. If this were happening in person rather than over the Internet, it would be illegal.

And now you have also made some fair points. This was what I was also trying to say. I feel like the ONLY thing they listened to was advantage high ground was bad. That's pretty much it. They implemented a ton of things we didn't want and ask for, and ignored most of what we suggested.

Take a look at the HUGE list of things Maximuus had compiled once upon a time. NONE of it was implemented, if I recall correctly. Not just some or a few... NONE. Larian did what they wanted and pretty much ignored fan feedback. Shoot. Just look at how many Megathread items were ignored. Megathread! How many Megathread items were implemented? Two. You know, the Megathreads? Things most talked about by fans? Two out of thirteen - Height Advantage and Minthara's appearance.

Do I feel like I REALLY helped them make this game? No. Not even remotely. And THAT is why I won't participate in another EA again.

Last edited by GM4Him; 24/10/22 12:09 AM.