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Which is precisely my point and why I mentioned objectification.

Breasts being sexual regardless of the circumstances is basically sexual objectification which women suffer from to this very day and is the whole core of the issue as unfortunately because of this, the world of man keeps imposing stupid rules upon women for more than 2000 years now because little Dick Johnson cannot control the thing between his legs. These taboo in modern society are not made because of a wise society for the betterment of the world, but a dumb one that keeps oppressing women due to its own lack of control.

It is a problem exclusively caused by men, yet the solution according to society is to restrict and oppress women... instead of educating men on how to behave and treat women.

• Why should a woman hide her breasts, but not a man? Because man said so.
• Why should a woman hide her ankles, but not a man? Because man said so.
• Why should a woman hide her feet, but not a man? Because man said so.
• Why should a woman hide her hair, but not a man? Because man said so.
• Why should a woman have to dress properly, but not a man? Because man said so.
• Why does a man decide how a woman should dress and act? Because men sexually objectify women.
• How would you feel if a woman told you what you can and cannot wear and make laws with consequences that you have to follow?

Nudity was first glorified and seen as a symbol of strength and health. Sculptured by the Gods and being blessed by the Gods was a term to describe someone beautiful and healthy in such day and age. And through time women went from admired beings to being reduced to sexual bits, which caused an insane downright spiral of restrictions, rules and punishments which to this day affect women and the thinking of modern society.

• A woman was started to be seen as an inferior sex with her only purpose being a breeding stock for a man
• Then women were started to be seen as bad luck and not allowed in many aspects of society because they could distract men
• Then women were actively hunted, tortured, burned and executed by the Church Inquisition for not being holy and pure
• Then women were started to be seen as witches and once again burned for casting spells to control weak-minded men
• Then in the Victorian age women were expected to dress and behave accordingly. Showing an ankle was considered a sexual scandal and behaving outside the norm a woman was considered a slut
• Then in the 20th century a woman would be lobotomized for not behaving according to society's view of ladyship and the vast majority of lobotomized patients were exclusively women
• Then in the modern times women still lack certain rights due to 2000 years of men's oppression against women due to sexual objectifications
• Western world sees breasts as taboo while Eastern world sees an entire woman as a taboo
• In the Eastern culture, a sexually raped woman will be imprisoned and punished if she was deemed to not be dressed properly. A woman accused by a man of unfaithfulness may be sentenced to death by stoning.
• In the entire world breasts are seen as taboo because the mistake of men 2000 years ago is still being dragged along which is why you think breasts are sexual and should be censored.

All of this is exactly because of sexual objectification.

Even as a European myself I witnessed this shit with my very own eyes. My mother who is an absolute professional and was the best in her line of work before switching careers, had a meeting with the President to establish trade routes with another country and then had a meeting with subordinates to make the deal go through. The entire business plan failed because one guy on the board could not control himself and told her he will only allow the deal to go through if she lets him f*** her, despite her being absolutely professional and professionally clothed.

Female Twitch streamers had rules imposed upon them because men with foot fetishes kept harassing them constantly and sexually objectifying them by asking to show feet, despite most girls being completely normal streamers. Instead of getting rid of the bullies, rules were instead imposed upon women once again. Bare feet were not allowed whatsoever and showing feet would end in a ban.

Today... a woman comes on the forum to request a topless feature in a game that features full nudity and explicit sex scenes and suddenly it's a big taboo for Baldur's Gate to have a topless feature because breasts are apparently sexual even though a woman DOES NOT sexualize her breasts. So once again the cycle continues. Man imposes what a woman can and cannot do because a man has no self-control, even in an artform that is supposed to serve as escapism as it always has been for thousands of years.

TLDR: Reality sucks. The way this failed society treats women is shit. And art instead of being contrary to the norm, is instead conforming to the norm.

I don’t know if all games or done the same way, but during EA of PoE2 in one update one of the sidekicks’s model became completely nude by defoult. Character artist explained that the6 first create full character model and then add clothes on top for accuracy - the wrong model just got patched in by accident.

It’s a bit like asking why a character doesn’t run with his willy out in a movie if there is a sex scene in it, no?

Returning to PoE2 - it has full nudity as well, but in scenario that it makes sense, not having characters running around with their tits or John out. One can quote certain tribal cultures where it is socially acceptable, but D&D ain’t that, is it? At least not the part we have seen so far in BG3. Everyone else goes around fully clothed. But then again, I am not one to make my characters run in the underwear, which should also garner some reaction, and I doubt the game accounts for that. Whatever, I don’t care.

And yes, there are digital soft porn scenes in the game. It’s stupid and I feel for people who have to make this shit happen. I suppose I just don’t see it as a thing that’s anything worthwhile to the game to begin with.

@Crimsonrider: I want to like everything, you wrote in this thread. I agree cimpletely.

@JanK: as Crimsonrider explained so well, men are the problem Here and will continue to be the Problem, If there is no Change in thinking, not women , who like to go topless. And I find it highly alarming, that you would consider a sexual active woman as evil. I'm referring to your Minthara comment, where you imply, that Minthara does the sexual deeds with the protag, because she is evil. That is... just no.

I think you will find that if you go shirtless in a setting that is not appropriate (which is most) regardless of your gender, people around you will not appreciate that, regardless of their gender. I like my flippers and pijamas, it doesn’t mean I will go outside in them.

@Crimsonrider’s comment mixes two things I think. Women have been and still are mistreated, and are often blamed for that regardless of their behaviour. I know I am not aware of half the crap they have to put up with.

That has little to do with a decent behaviour in a public setting. Crimson painted a picture where men seem to on mass enjoy walking shirtless, and oh the oppression, women are asked to wear a shirt. I have lived in couple places in the world, and so far its never been a case. It’s just a basic decency and consideration for others to be dressed in public. In my first post I quoted: “no shirt, no shoes, no service” because as it seems like it is some gender issue that I am not aware of, to me it’s just basic, human decency and consideration for others.

I must say, though, that being Easter European I come from culture with a specific way of looking at dressing. Living in US and Uk I learned that the concept of inside and outside clothes is foreign here. I am also perplex by desire to expose oneself in public. So maybe it’s just me not getting it. Maybe shirtless guy is Saints Row4 was someone’s role model, not a laughing stock. Anyway, I am checking out of this thread. I don’t think I have anything to contribute.

Dressing for the occasion- ok, granted. BUT I do often see men in the summer running around shirtless in shopping malls etc. Try that as a woman.

Yeah. That’s what I tried to say - personally I haven’t seen much of that, and would find that inappropriate regardless of gender, but a lot of it could be me/places I go to/people I hang out with. The discrepancy is that one might be in bad taste, the other (I think) is punishable by law. 🤔

Now I am getting defensive. I suppose I am a bit embarrassed that it didn’t occur to me that OP might be someone else then a horny bloke until Niara’s post.

Nobody here is talking about inappropriate public appearances though nor saying that going to a shop dressed like they're going to a beach is normal. Naturally it isn't, but this is not even remotely what my point is about, as my point is about breasts not being a sexual body part.

The only sexual body parts are the penis and the vagina. Hair, eyes, lips, breasts, hands, waist, butt, thighs, legs, feet, even a body figure... can all be sexually attractive, but they are not inherently sexual even if they may attract. Yet the sexual objectification of men towards these body parts is what ends up creating oppression and rules for women, which is why I said everything I said because whatever men sexually objectify ends up oppressing women and new rules being imposed upon them. So by doing that, society is not fixing the problem but shifting the responsibility upon women.

Case and point, the streamer Susu. Her toe emote got deleted not once, but twice even after being edited. Because men sexually objectified her feet to such extent that instead of punishing the horny boys who cannot control themselves and getting them off the platform, Susu was instead punished. Why is she being punished for something that is completely normal to her and not sexual, which is her very own feet. And she has gone on record several times expressing deep hatred for foot fetishists who keep ruining everything.

Same with streamer Marz, who is a photo model. Because in some of her Instagram posts she was barefoot, this attracted a massive surge of imbeciles who made her so uncomfortable that now she actively goes out of her way to make sure her feet are never shown in photos. And if they are, she will cover them up with emojis or blur them out. So are feet now a sexual body part and women should hide their feet? Why are girls being punished for a problem caused by men? Well... that is explained by my very long post above.

It is like someone pointing a gun at you and the officer instead of solving the problem by disarming the guy about to kill you, instead gives you a bulletproof vest so you can soak in the bullets. That's what society does and has been doing to women. Men are the problem, but the responsibility is always shifted to women.

A woman should be able to go to a beach and be topless freely just like men are, same as women in this game should be able to be topless just like men are, same as they should be barefooted if they want to. Women should not be oppressed just because a guy gets a hard on. And yes unfortunately it is oppression, because women are not asked to hide their breasts, they're forced to, just like they're forced to wear hijabs in some countries and the whole burka in others. Very big difference.

@Crimsonrider the post above cleared up to me what you were writing about, thanks.

Clothing laws and practices depend entirely on where you are in Faerun, and what type of person you are. BG3 is set on the Sword Coast, which is roughly euro-centric medievalist, so in this particular case it's normal and proper for people to go about fully clothed. It would be different if it was set somewhere like Mulhorand, which is roughly ancient egyptian in flavour and nudity would be more common.

I also say it depends on what kind of person you are, and I mean that literally. Some races are more likely to get away with going partially or even full nude.

I once played a taur-type character (based off centaur), and the party came to the realisation in one session (after the DM mentioned it) that she never wore any covering around her tail end, something that I had never even thought about. She had been going effectively pants-less the entire time. It wasn't brought up after that, it just became a fact of the game.

I also just remembered that the harpies in the game have their breasts fully exposed, so that's yet another reason on why I don't see an issue with the request for a topless female character.

The game does not try to hide nudity even in front of an in-game kid such as Myrkon, so it really just comes down to whether Larian would make it an available feature or not, as I see no moral ground from which it would not be acceptable.

Aren't harpies monstrosities? The nudity is probably there to nuance from civilised races in Faerun.

I don't know what their official DnD categorization is, but they are completely sentient and literally just a female elf nude body with bird-like hands, feet and wings.

So to me they're more like a tribal half-humanoid, similar to Centaurs who are half-human/half-horse or Mermaids who are half-woman/half-fish. A monstrosity to me is something like a Minotaur, which has no humanoid characteristics considering it is an upright walking bull on steroids.

Man, I had to see some stuff I wish I could unsee to find this oldie:

Huh, that thing reminds me of Doom 3's Pinky, but with quad-breasts

What a time to be alive.

Surely you're not suggesting that someone with a good alignment would act like Minthara?

Evil, or turning evil for women is often coded through sexual liberation. Can we put this thread in with the More Sexy Armor thread, it seems to be as productive

Talking about Minthara doing the 69 treatment or something else?

Because I do not see how performing a 69 pose makes one evil nor why would it be exclusive to evil. It's simply love and passion and sex is a universal body language different for each couple regardless of their personalities or characters, a dance of bodies submerging in pleasure. There's even an ancient Indian Sanskrit text that explores sexuality, eroticism and emotional fulfillment in life called "Kama Sutra", which is more than 2000 years old.

Otherwise what would Shadowheart be then who is withdrawn, shy and romantic, but then rather than outright rejecting the idea of a threesome with Lae'zel, she instead postpones it for another day. So she is even freakier than Minthara

As the saying goes; "A lady in the streets, but a freak in the sheets".


No, these are highly intellectual and historical debates we are having here.

Forget I said anything great sage...sage on.

Sins of the flesh, of course. Lust. More animalistic than civilized and covered in blood, no less. I don't see how we can mistake this for anything other than unadulterated evil.

And let's not forget that she's not even married.


I always suspected she wasn't being sincere. Meaning she was just sort of saying anything to get the player character to leave her alone about it and stop being creepy.

Or maybe leaving the possibility open is the evil influence of Shar at work? I guess that's reasonable.