After a couple long rests and advances in story
I wish ...
But sadly, nope ... its exactly first Long Rest after you find and examine dead pig ... if you ignore that animal, you can get through whole EA without ever know that one of your followers is a Vampire ...
I would like this (and Gale hunger for artefact) to be tiggered by certain amount of Long Rests tho, since (and feel free to corect me) it seems to me like hunger (both litteral in Astarion case, and imaginary in Gale case) is something that comes naturaly "in time" ... not just after you find evidence of someone feeding, or if certain character likes you enough to reveal you horrible truth about himself. :-/
If you don't and try to stop him at the second opportunity, he'll drain you dry and kill you.
There is harder persuation check, but he kill you only if you fail to persuate him to stop ... not sure if there is second roll if you fail with first, since i never managed to fail that.
Also there is new option at every single point of that dialogue, allowing you to stake him through his heart at any time, wich permanently kills him (you cant ressurect him after this) but saves your life.
Many people on youtube complained about this, that they feel like the game is passively persuating them to kill astartion with constantly offering that option.
But i like it! The more you are in danger, the more important it is for you to be able to defend yourself.
(BTW, shout to Wormerine here ... this is one of companion perma-death examples.)
And he is just a complete asshole
Yup ...
But that he exactly is, narcistic, selfish, responcibility refusing asshole.
I mean yeah, his attitude sucks and it helped me hate him even more ... but still, you must admit its ben exactly in character and therefore perfect!
Firstly, I don't think we should have the option of reviving our main character after it, it should be a non-standard game over where we have to reload.
That would suck ...
I get the idea, but i dont really like it ... if you want to reload, its there for you. :-/
Secondly, if the point of the scene is to show Astarion in a more sympathetic light, then having him be an asshole after he KILLS us makes that fail. But cruically, if the point is actually to show him as a manipulator who is playingon our emotions to get what he wants, then having him be an asshole to us ALSO makes the scene fail at doing that, because it makes him seem like a stupid, petulant child. A manipulator would try and cover himself, try and say that he's sorry and that he truly could not control himself and it was out of his hands. And they would probably bolt as soon as they realize they can't talk themselves out of the situation.
Wich only tells us that he is not actualy manipulator?
Or at least not good one ...
I mean, feel free to disagree with me here.
But Astarion is in my eyes perfect example of popular schoolgirl (have you seen Mean Girls? He is Regina George) ... she is pretty, she is popular, and thats all she need ... everyone wants to be friends with her, so she can do whatever the hells she want ... she can be mean, cruel, demanding, basicaly pure bitch, and people will still love her, bcs she is pretty and popular ...
And if one day something gets horribly wrong, its not *her* fault ... at least not in her eyes, you should apology that you didnt stop her, bcs this accident can damage her reputation!
and the game kinda makes us be okay with it.
I believe there was option for us to force him out of our camp ...
He would bring all his equipped artefacts tho.
And thirdly, the other party members should want to kill him for knowing that he's willing to kill members of the group. Lae'zel should be out to kill him right away, no questions asked.
This is good point ...
Even tho Lae'zel especialy may be the only one who would be fine with it, i would say ...
For one, she killed her own comrades as part of her training (her words, not mine).
For two, Githyanki dont see murder as a crime, since it only plug out weaklings in their eyes (again, her words, not mine).
And finaly, it was kinda your own fault ... you allowed him to drink from you ... he just lost control, its not entirely fair to put all blame on him. :-/
But Shadowheart, Gale and Wyll should IMHO be quite pissed about this.
Why did they think this scene was good?
Cant speak for Larian ...
But *i* think its good, bcs its perfectly in character ... you were just used by cold hearted asshole, who didnt feel any remorse, and was so full of himself, so he didnt even bother to hide it.
I gues i like it bcs such characters are rare ...
Shadowheart was mean from the start, but people were complainging about it ... so Larian made her sweeter ... it sucks.
I like when people stand behing their characters, even tho people dont like them, maybe even more in that case ... world is not full of rainbows and sun ... so this one should not be aswell. :-/
Astarion is an Elf ... being that live ten times as long as most common races in the world, meaning he cant logicaly see himself as equal, for sake of his own sanity (have you seen Invincible? Omni-man is explaining there that he needs to see people as pets, bcs they are hardly anything more compared to him, thats the case) ...
Also he is a Vampire ... being that dont age, and therefore should live even much longer than Elves ...
If Elves see regular people as insignificant short-lived creatures ... what would they bee for Vampire, that is looking the same to Elves? ... Hardly more than insects.
And thats what i like about Astarion and this scene ... to me, he is properly written imortal, wich is something you dont see often.
Why did they have this companion basically insult us for being dumb enough to let him kill us after trying to extend some kindness to him?
And why did they have the same companion basically insult us for not accepting his "obviously teatrical and not meaned apology", after he tryed to kill us in our first meeting?
I mean, dont get angry ... but we ARE that dumb ...
He tryed to kill us twice ... once with a knife ... once with his teeth ... and then we willingly allow him to try again, just bcs he told us sad story and said "pretty please" ?
Yeah, we deserved to die.
