Originally Posted by SaurianDruid
Right, and ripping off a giant superhuman monster's arm by wedging it in a door and strangling a dragon with your bare hands are equally impossible feats, yet there they are in Beowulf. Heroic Fantasy is a completely legitimate genre of fantasy. Just because you want a more grounded fantasy experience doesn't mean that is the only way fantasy can be immersive.

Also according to 5e's PHB the vast majority of people in the world will never achieve the first level of a class. A 1st level fighter isn't just a normal dude swinging a sword, it is someone so incredible in combat that they have mastered every weapon type and can push themselves beyond normal limits to perform feats like Action Surge and Second Wind.

If you have a level in a class you're already exceptional.

And in The Lord of the Rings, Frodo is unable to jump clear over an Orc's head or shove them dozens of feet. Which is just as relevant as mentioning Beowulf in a thread about D&D.

Where did I ever state that this kind of fantasy is not legitimate? I said I find characters performing like Super Mario goofy seeing as they are able to do so at will from the outset where we are definitely not larger than life heroes and that Larian have created a game world which lacks coherency. If I didn't like this kind of fantasy why would the previous BG games be my favourite games of all time? All I am trying to get across is that you need some elements of baseline realism to go along with the high fantasy as I have tried to explain ad nauseam in this thread.

And just to nitpick, I'm guessing a level 1 fighter hasn't mastered every type of weapon as I assume that is why we choose our specialisations as we level up? The same applies to magic users, which is probably why you cannot cast every spell during early levels. I acknowledge I could be wrong here. So whilst at level 1 we might be exceptional in comparison to most civilians, we are definably not the super heroes you seem to think we are.