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Ok. Just gotta say it, I'm pumped. The new trailer is pretty good, especially for connecting to the original games. Jaheira is well done imo. She's like 180 or something at this point, so having some age makes sense to me even though she's half elf. I really liked what they did with her.

As for the rest, the Tears of Selune when the nautiloid appears... Nice touch. Flying IS going to be a thing. Yay! I mean, overall, very promising. I still can't wait for full release.

I assume the tentacle breaking through the ramparts belongs to an Elder Brain, one with as yet unheard of size. Since what could the Absolute be but a massive Elder Brain?

The Absolute could be SO many things.

1. Melyssan reborn because of the Second Sundering, out for revenge and godhood.
2. Bhaal, Bane and Murkyl fooling everyone to reclaim full godhood.
3. A Demon or Devil Lord like Zariel or Baphomet who were key characters in Descent Into Avernus
4. Shar
5. Cyric
6. Irenicus
7. Your character from the first 2 games.
8. Ah heck. Just about anyone.

The point is, the Absolute's identity is wide open right now. It really could be anybody.

You forgot Boo.

New trailer is fine and all, but we still haven't seen any decent plate armor :P

Fallen aasimar/whatever doesn't count, that's flaming fist armor(medium) and the metallic boot model is still classified as medium armor.

What's the problem and they can't show cool looking plate armor? I remember a datamined one with flowing butt capes, it was something chubblot discovered :3

I love the trailer, my joy level at seeing Minsc. I have seen so much bitching from detractors about how BG3 has no connection to the other 2 BG games (based on the less than a whole act we can currently play) and then Larian drops the Trailer. Well played Larian on keep that under wraps for 2 years, I am impressed.

Being connected to the original games is about a holistic connectivity to them across the board. SImply throwing in a few characters from the old games does NOT achieve what people are talking about when they complain about a lack of connection with the old games.

GOW4 has no connection to the older games apart from the main character and that character is a completely different person as well. Also there are no platformer-type gameplay elements in the game which were plenty in the previous titles. Yet no one is bitching about it and everyone acknowledges it as a sequel. So your assessment is not universally true, I guess.

Agreed.

I also find this to be a bizarre complaint given that the whole game hasn't released yet. Who knows what is in Act 2 and 3 story/character wise? Who knows how much Act 1 might change upon release? The answer to that is no one. Though I can certainly see potential complaints upon the game's release if it has absolutely no connection to the original games. Larian has also hinted/teased that more connections to the original are coming.

In addition - I think GOW4 is not only a good example, but serves to show that the game is being made for an entirely different generation and audience. The very goal of sales and marketing for video games has completely changed in that time - as well as other expectations. I believe (though could be wrong, given that the data is all over the place from what I can see) that BG/BG2 combined sold about 4-5 million copies and came out 20ish years ago. Odds are Baldur's Gate 3 has already outsold them given that Sven indicated sales numbers were "insane" for Early Access... and they have to target a completely new audience.

Bringing a franchise like this back is no easy feat given that you have to appease the older audience who played the originals while also drawing in a new audience. As an example if you look at people reacting to the trailer a lot of them are like... "why is Kratos coming out of a chest?" or "who is that?" because they have no idea who Minsc is.

The actual city of Baldur's Gate is a pretty strong connection, imo. I hadn't realized how faithfully it's been recreated until I saw a video breaking down the trailer. I've never finished BG1 or tried BG2, so I've never experienced the namesake city. If Larian can do it justice (which it looks like they could) it would be more than a cosmetic connection between the games.

Funnily enough, the actual city of Baldurs Gate was NOT in BG II, instead, the big city was Athkatla
But that being said, I think it is pretty clear there are going to be strong connections based both on what is already in the game (I mean, just look at the symbol of the absolute. I wonder who that could be), and some of the datamined content.

Sure, it is not necessarily the Bhaalspawn Saga anymore (from what we know from EA, we do not even have 1/3 of the story), but imo it IS a worthy sequel, and in the end it is only a stupid name. What is important ultimately is the quality of the game, and though there are certainly some things to be critizized, I am very happy with that so far

Well, the city of BG, as has been mentioned, was never really the 'thing' about the original games. In a way the original games were effectively mis-titled, because they never really were about that city. The games should've carried a title along the lines of "The Bhaalspawn Saga" or some such thing. Relatedly, even though the Neverwinter MMO uses the city of Neverwinter, no one considers that to be a connection to the NwN games. Ditto for the city of Icewind Dale in the new Dark Alliance game and the old IwD games.

That's fair, but consider this: Larian have consistently created dense maps full of interesting stuff to discover. The opportunity for references are endless. Every faction you remember will have some sort of base in BG3. Any corner of the city might be shaped by past events and characters.

Also, if Larian made all of Baldur's Gate, odds are good they made the Undercity as well. Therein lies the Throne of the Dead Three. (I learned that factoid from Magic the Gathering's "initiative" mechanism, which happened to premier in the BG3 tie-in set.)

I understand being sour about game systems, but there's so much we don't know about the story and characters... There's no way BG3 could have started the way BG2 did - in medias res with fully known characters. The connection was always going to be looser. I suppose it could have been clearer from the start, but we don't know for sure that there's no link before act 2. Some parts of act 1 feel suspiciously barren or stumpy, so there's at least room for hope.

Give hope a chance! (That's been my mantra while waiting for patch 9).

Fair enough. At least now there is a date-certain timeline for when it will no longer be possible to defend the game by saying we have to wait for it to be released (I don't say this aimed at you, btw). I fully expect those goalposts to be moved and new rationales for why nobody can criticize the game to be spun, but that's a separate discussion.

There is such a big difference between criticizing a game and doing nothing but being negative on all of it's aspects. Is there one thing you are happy about? If not, you need to really consider, for yourself, if you really want to be around here and play it when it comes. People around here still hope for a change in what they think needs change and celebrate what they enjoy so far, it's a fine balance and nobody likes a grouch.

I haven’t been to this forum in over a year. Well over a year, I think. I can’t believe the same people are still hanging around complaining. That is so tragic.

over a year, and your first post is to insult other posters. THAT is tragic.

That's actually just an observation. But if anyone is insulted by it, well truth hurts.

edit: arguing doesn't help. apologies mods

The word tragic made me laugh for some reason
In that context