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While it is mostly an observation, as Crimsonrider said, there is a certain amount of criticism implied in the comment. These people are the reason I stopped visiting here and they are the reason I will, after this message, continue not to visit here, so I think the criticism is warranted. While they certainly have a right to express their dissatisfaction, the excessiveness with which they do it in almost every thread becomes disruptive and toxic to be around.

But more to the point, I think it is pretty tragic that anybody would visit a forum for a video game they aren’t looking forward to daily for multiple years. I think tragic is the best, least offensive way I can describe that bewildering behavior.

"Tragic" is less offensive than "bewildering"??? xD

Neither of those words are offensive...

Why? As long as the game isn't finilized there is always hope. I will be probably gone, once I feel there is no point to further feedback. To me it seems like criticism benefited the game, though it is difficult to say how much of the criticism was necessary to get reaction from Larian, and how much of it would be addressed anyway (aka. Larian being aware that there is an issue to be solved).

BG3 uses existing IP, and many will care for the IP, even if not for the game itself. That is the burden Larian took on themselves when decided to do a sequel to a beloved series.

And on a side note, what would one do here if not complain about the game? If the game was top notch I would just play it. If I go to the trouble of creating an account on the forum, it is precisely to complain about it. I can't think of a reason to do so otherwise.

As others have said, the game is in EA so any feedback is technically valid, not just praise. While I sort of understand where you’re coming from, you make it sound like you have avoided the forums because you don’t like reading opinions you don’t agree with. I think that is a shame.

Also that word ‘toxic’ seems to have entered the public discourse as meaning ‘something one doesn’t agree with’ rather than the actual definition: “very harmful or unpleasant in a pervasive or insidious way”

He wasn't talking about people who criticize in a constructive manner though, but the ones who are so excessively negative about everything that they will actively go out of their own way to insert their negativity in some shape or form no matter how insignificant a topic may be. Even go as far as to directly confront other members of the community for liking something, or making statements which are clearly directed at others.

Such as in this very thread calling people "Larian fans with low standards" just because a few were very excited about the game. That is not constructive criticism, that is just being a douche. Because only a douche would have a problem with other people being happy. So there's a difference between criticism and being negative wherever one can.

I felt this back when I fist joined the forums. Just for saying that I like the chain system and don't have an issue with it, which wasn't even addressed to anyone directly, but it was enough to invoke a certain someone to come at me just for liking something he passionately hated. That sort of behavior is what Warlocke is talking about and it hasn't really changed. People who like the game here are usually seen as weirdos.

Fair enough.

Thanks. And agreed. I don't really care about the people choosing to personally attack or insult me. I know whose posts are worth my time and whose to ignore. How this game turns out matters to me, and so I'll continue to remain here and continue to post my thoughts and feelings about the game, even in the face of those demanding that I leave.

So everything outside of complaining is irrelevant here? No place for positive thoughts, discussing builds, speculating about the story, creating art or fanfics like GM4Him did? I get that some people just enjoy their anger, I'll just be happy celebrating patch 9 thank you very much.

I know you think I am one of those people who personally attacked or insulted you - even though that wasn't my intention. I just cannot put myself in your shoes. I have gripes about Baldur's Gate 3, but if I disliked it as much as you do there is a zero percentage chance I'd sit around posting about it as much as you do.

I am genuinely curious - is there anything from the Panel From Hell and Patch 9 that you liked or are excited about?

Nothing against positive thoughts, but I can't say I care for the community content. I am here because I am interested in the game, not people on the forum (no offence to anyone). If I loved the game I would play it more, not waste time talking about it.

LOL, the ego on that man. Like if we post to attract his attention. Interesting topic though - the reason to join the forums. Mine was to report some bugs at first, but then I felt that there are some very interesting people and ideas here, so I decided to tune in once in a while to check on them. It is actually pretty cool, IMO, that there are some old posters here still. This surely shows some level of dedication to the game! But also, if you want to exert constructive criticism, that'd reflect your thoughts - you create a separate thread and explain your opinion in great detail. Posting short shitposts with pointing fingers (I want everything good for the game, but LARIAN!!!) does not indicate that one cares for the game, but cares to make a big hoopla about their hurt feelings. Those are my thoughts.

Okay. I'm always willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to someone in the hope that they're sincere.

To your question, sadly no. I'm happy that we finally have some sort of release date for the game, after having had the game sit in EA for three years. By extension, then, I'm also glad there won't be any more major patches for the EA and we will be going straight on to final release. I'm glad they had the sense to copy what Solasta has been doing on reactions. And I'm glad we will be getting at least one good-aligned companion, despite the unfairness compared with being given three evil-aligned companions.

But I have to ask you in return, why should anyone be "excited" about things that SHOULD be part of the game? Things like the paladin class, or level 3 spells? Did anyone think we were NOT going to get those things upon final release of the game? Is it really such a big source of excitement just to get those things eight months sooner if you happen to be playing the EA version of the game? Sorry but I just don't get that.

I know I wasn't the one you asked, but I do want to give an answer because your question is actually super insightful and it made me have to actually sit and think for a little while. You make a really excellent point about 'why should anyone be excited about things that should be part of the game?' I don't have an answer for that, straight up, I don't. Yet I am. Though honestly the thing that excites me more is that I like what the implementation of oathbreaker paladins implies for the full release of the game. It implies a direction that I personally find encouraging, though if others don't, then that's entirely reasonable.

I can give you an answer, I am excited to get another CRPG from Larian because I liked their previous entries. Seeing more content and being able to play it afterward, even obviously planned content, is good because I can enjoy more of what I am waiting for. Simple as.

Appreciated.

To your response - I still find it odd to continue to follow a game where updates like this produce little excitement or satisfaction. Their vision of the game and what you want clearly differs dramatically. Again - that is not to say you can't post or I am trying to silence you or... whatever. I just don't get it.

As far as reactions go - it seems like that should be something you were excited to see included. I get that some people feel as though that is how it should have been from the beginning - but it is a video game and an interpretation of a game (D&D), rather than that game itself. It is also a continuation of a series that was played in a different style (RTWP vs. Turn-based). This seems like a pretty major addition that a lot of detractors have focused on and are now kind of just brushing off.

As far as your question to me... there is a difference between excitement and surprise.

I know Baldurs Gate 3 is coming out in August and I am excited about playing the full release of the game. People love Paladins and are excited because they finally get to try them out. I am excited Monks will be in the game at that time even though I know they will be included. I am excited to use all of the spells from the Players Handbook - even though I know they will be included (for the most part). I am excited to see the new areas and explore what sounds like a massive city - even though I know they should be included. I want to download the latest patch because I am excited to check out some of the stuff they added - though I am holding off until release because at this point I want to experience the entire game. These are all perfectly good reasons to be excited about something.

But that is obviously different than being surprised. I don't think anyone should be like "OMG THAT IS SO CRAZY PALADINS AND LEVEL 3 SPELLS!!! I CANT BELIEVE THESE ARE IN THE GAME THAT IS NUTS!!!!" because it was always obvious they would be in the game. The excitement is getting to play the classes, use the spells and experience the world in that role... not necessarily that people are surprised or shocked that it is now in the game.

But yeah... while you don't get that, I completely get that.

I'm interested to see what Starfield is like. If they released a demo of it tomorrow that just let you play the first three hours - I would be excited, even though the full game would be coming soon anyways.
I enjoy CDPR games and if they released a demo of Phantom Liberty I'd be excited to test it out even though the full game would be coming next year.

I guess I don't see how the above is difficult to wrap one's head around or put yourself in those people's shoes. You can argue it is just childish overexcitement at 'the little things', I guess. And I suppose that would be fine... I'd just disagree. I think the early access being offered is pretty cool - even if there are things I don't like. I think it is cool they are releasing content patches, putting on events (even if they are dorky) and interacting with their community in that way. I think that is more exciting and enduring than little teaser trailers and three minute interview clips with devs.

In addition - I will continue to offer my suggestions and critiques of the game:

1. Still don't dig the Michael Bay like opening sequence of the game. Not my thing, not my form of storytelling and I hope they add something a bit more calm as a prologue before the ship.
2. I think Larian still has work to do with the overall UI. It has improved, but I think they should make this more of a focus, especially in terms of items like books (I think a codex should just be in the game) and crafting materials.
3. While I am not disgruntled about the 'toilet chain' system I do wish they would build on it or improve it. It can be rather clunky at times.
4. The game struggles with verticality at times. It is cool you can explore up and down as much as the game permits you to - it makes certain combat scenarios interesting. But I don't think super shove and 'cheesing' the game in some ways is kind of lame.
5. I do think the story at the beginning of the game does too closely mirror Divinity: Original Sin 2. There are a ton of similar themes that strike me as a mirrored story rather than something entirely original. It feels like they liked that story so much (I did too, I loved DOS2 despite it being kind of dorky and over the top at times) that they wanted to use this IP to retell it to a larger audience.

But despite those things, I still enjoy the game quite a bit and think they have done a lot of things right. I think you can have problems with a game and still like it. I think you can be critical while at the same time admitting the good things going on. I also realize given the subjective nature of a lot of these things and... well... game development in general - no game is ever going to be perfect. Or at least 'perfect for me'.

Thanks for the detailed response. And believe it or not, I can actually appreciate your reasons for being excited. I don't share that excitement, but I can understand it better now. I think for me the source of my disgruntledness, or more accurately sadness, is that BG3 is *the* cRPG I've been waiting for for so very long, the game I've been sooooo looking forward to playing. But the actual BG3 that I've been given is rather far from meeting those expectations I've been holding on to all these years. And it also then means, by extenstion, that there will be no other "BG3" ever, one that would meet my expectations. So I'm *never* going to get my game, the D&D game I want and have been hoping for. So that's why, for me, it is deep disappointment rather than excitement.

But otoh, I *am* excited about playing Starfield, and Avowed, and DA:D, and the next Witcher IP game, and the next whatever from inXile.

The thing I get from this is that a big part of your excitement and satisfaction about BG3 is coming from your happiness and enjoyment of D:OS2, and liking that a lot of what made D:OS2 a great game for you is what's being carried over into BG3. But how does that work for someone who did not like the D:OS games? I am someone who's coming to BG3 as a person who is yet to play what I would consider an awesome cRPG from Larian. So for me, the more there is D:OS2 in BG3, the more that makes me dislike BG3.