Originally Posted by Lake Plisko
Originally Posted by kanisatha
Okay. I'm always willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to someone in the hope that they're sincere.

To your question, sadly no. I'm happy that we finally have some sort of release date for the game, after having had the game sit in EA for three years. By extension, then, I'm also glad there won't be any more major patches for the EA and we will be going straight on to final release. I'm glad they had the sense to copy what Solasta has been doing on reactions. And I'm glad we will be getting at least one good-aligned companion, despite the unfairness compared with being given three evil-aligned companions.

But I have to ask you in return, why should anyone be "excited" about things that SHOULD be part of the game? Things like the paladin class, or level 3 spells? Did anyone think we were NOT going to get those things upon final release of the game? Is it really such a big source of excitement just to get those things eight months sooner if you happen to be playing the EA version of the game? Sorry but I just don't get that.

To your response - I still find it odd to continue to follow a game where updates like this produce little excitement or satisfaction. Their vision of the game and what you want clearly differs dramatically. Again - that is not to say you can't post or I am trying to silence you or... whatever. I just don't get it.

As far as reactions go - it seems like that should be something you were excited to see included. I get that some people feel as though that is how it should have been from the beginning - but it is a video game and an interpretation of a game (D&D), rather than that game itself. It is also a continuation of a series that was played in a different style (RTWP vs. Turn-based). This seems like a pretty major addition that a lot of detractors have focused on and are now kind of just brushing off.

As far as your question to me... there is a difference between excitement and surprise.

I know Baldurs Gate 3 is coming out in August and I am excited about playing the full release of the game. People love Paladins and are excited because they finally get to try them out. I am excited Monks will be in the game at that time even though I know they will be included. I am excited to use all of the spells from the Players Handbook - even though I know they will be included (for the most part). I am excited to see the new areas and explore what sounds like a massive city - even though I know they should be included. I want to download the latest patch because I am excited to check out some of the stuff they added - though I am holding off until release because at this point I want to experience the entire game. These are all perfectly good reasons to be excited about something.

But that is obviously different than being surprised. I don't think anyone should be like "OMG THAT IS SO CRAZY PALADINS AND LEVEL 3 SPELLS!!! I CANT BELIEVE THESE ARE IN THE GAME THAT IS NUTS!!!!" because it was always obvious they would be in the game. The excitement is getting to play the classes, use the spells and experience the world in that role... not necessarily that people are surprised or shocked that it is now in the game.

But yeah... while you don't get that, I completely get that.

I'm interested to see what Starfield is like. If they released a demo of it tomorrow that just let you play the first three hours - I would be excited, even though the full game would be coming soon anyways.
I enjoy CDPR games and if they released a demo of Phantom Liberty I'd be excited to test it out even though the full game would be coming next year.

I guess I don't see how the above is difficult to wrap one's head around or put yourself in those people's shoes. You can argue it is just childish overexcitement at 'the little things', I guess. And I suppose that would be fine... I'd just disagree. I think the early access being offered is pretty cool - even if there are things I don't like. I think it is cool they are releasing content patches, putting on events (even if they are dorky) and interacting with their community in that way. I think that is more exciting and enduring than little teaser trailers and three minute interview clips with devs. smile
Thanks for the detailed response. And believe it or not, I can actually appreciate your reasons for being excited. I don't share that excitement, but I can understand it better now. I think for me the source of my disgruntledness, or more accurately sadness, is that BG3 is *the* cRPG I've been waiting for for so very long, the game I've been sooooo looking forward to playing. But the actual BG3 that I've been given is rather far from meeting those expectations I've been holding on to all these years. And it also then means, by extenstion, that there will be no other "BG3" ever, one that would meet my expectations. So I'm *never* going to get my game, the D&D game I want and have been hoping for. So that's why, for me, it is deep disappointment rather than excitement.

But otoh, I *am* excited about playing Starfield, and Avowed, and DA:D, and the next Witcher IP game, and the next whatever from inXile.