Originally Posted by Niara
Perhaps you should read my post again ^.^ You missed a pretty important detail within it that make the majority element of your response seem a little pointless and silly.

Let's check what you said then.
Originally Posted by Niara
Having NPCs attack you for using the spell and by extension turning whole factions against you, is absolutely not correct interpretation of this cantrip spell.

Let's check the spell.
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Friends
For the duration, you have advantage on all Charisma checks directed at one creature of your choice that isn't hostile toward you. When the spell ends, the creature realizes that you used magic to influence its mood and becomes hostile toward you. A creature prone to violence might attack you. Another creature might seek retribution in other ways (at the DM's discretion), depending on the nature of your interaction with it.

The outcome you claim is not the correct interpenetration in your original post is actually in the spell.
You can backpedal as much as you'd like in your response. Claiming violent reactions weren't in line with the spell was simply wrong.

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You can spin it how you like - Friends and charm person are not mind control, and that's been stated, again and again and again. Influence is not control. Magical affectation is not magical domination. It does not compel action, it does not force action and it does not control action, in any way; other spells do. It's not mind control, and it's not a mind control effect, unlike the other spells mentioned, which are. This isn't really open for debate - there's a clear line between what is and isn't mind control, and that is the compulsion of action. It's been ruled on, repeatedly. No-one's saying this cantrip is not invasive, but it's not mind control.
Your appeal to imaginary authorities is amusing.
You are using a magic spell without consent to get someone to do something they don't want to do.
From the victim's perspective there is no difference whether you call it influence or control, you have used magic on their mind to get them to do something they otherwise would not have done.
That's mind control.

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I'd strongly suggest that you leave off looking for an argument for the sake of it; you've given your opinion that it's working fine and should continue to work that way - I accept that as your opinion, I just corrected you on your definition of Friends as a mind control spell, because it is not - that's all. There's no argument to be had here.

You expressed your opinion on what you think Friends should do and I accept that as your opinion. I just corrected you on what the spell said and on what mind control is, because you were wrong - that's all.
If there is no argument to be had I would suggest you stop arguing.

Last edited by Alodar; 16/12/22 03:09 PM.