Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Oath Broken for opening a door (lol)

I don't know, mb I should put it on the bug section? Surely opening a cage door where Sazza is kept resulting into the broken Oath of the Ancients is a bug, right? And now I feel everyone... saying that this "black knight" epic entry after such a stupid action is just comedy...

You mean freeing the prisoner?

I have no clue how Paladins are supposed to work regarding their tenets and whatnot, but you're basically comitting a crime and grave injustice, while also doing it behind everyone's back. Sazza is a prisoner of war, captured during the attack on it and she is responsible for people dying. The Grove denizens have every right to hold her captive for her crimes against them.

So by freeing her, you're basically not only comitting a crime, but severe injustice as well. Which is why I suppose you're breaking the oath. But then again, I have no clue what the oath is supposed to stand for.

She was dead...

Yep! You’re right. Sazza was dead in her cage in my playthrough as while I’d initially saved her and left her locked up, she must have been killed when the druids and tieflings turned on each other.

I’d not opened her cage before but I’ve just gone back and tried. I had SH pick the lock, and then as soon as my paladin interacted with the unlocked door I got an oath broken message. This makes no sense. It wouldn’t seem to be against either oath to simply open the door, eg to check whether she had anything on her that might help locate the goblin camp.

EDIT: I think it is worth posting feedback suggesting that opening the door after Sazza is dead shouldn’t result in a broken oath. I can see the argument for opening it while she’s alive being breaking an oath, certainly of devotion and probably of ancients as well.

The whole Oathbreaker is so weird you break the oath by attacking evil goblins that are doing evil - hostile acts right infront of you and in time of war! With a goblin army the area.

You have see their evil actions everywhere like i said even right infont of you ... Oath broken just because you tryed to stop evil goblin from doing something evil.

I have my doubts that game is even capable to recognize so much nuances ...
It was just lockpicking and opening something that was supposed to stay closed and locked ... therefore thievery ... therefore breaking and Oath.

Plain and simple.

Next time, use Shadowheart to use doors she lockpick aswell and you should be fine.

That shouldn't break the Oath of the Ancients...Maybe Devotion...but even then, immediate oathbreaker moment just for that is ludicrous.

The door was not outlined in red by the way.

Did I get that right Rag, do you want this to stay in the game?

This is definitely a bug after reading everything. It has to do with the game not alleviating the property tags properly, which happens all the time in the game.

Actually didn't happen in Patch 7, but started happening in Patch 8. For example you could kill the Hag, but all her property would still be flagged as hers. Same is happening here, despite the doors not being red. And since the doors are tied to the quest for Sazza, it does not update the tag.

I'd report it ^^

Well ...
Yes, but also no. :-/

To say i wouldnt mind if it stay ... that seems much closer.

I mean, its not something i would miss, but it dont bother me either ... the rule kinda makes sense to me, and honestly im more puzzled about your actions, than their effect.
Why did you even opened that cage?
While Sazza is there, you are helping a prisoner to escape ... not a very Paladin thing to do imho. :-/
And since she die ... whats the point? You were to rob her corpse? Again ... not very Paladin behaviour.

This seems like the situation when people were complaining about "returning to Waukeen's Rest to observe it is still burning after XY days" ... yes, its possible ... but why are you returning there in the first place, since there is nothing else to do thatn observe this oddity?

I opened the cage door just in case because I wanted to cast speak with the dead on the corpse, but was not sure if the cinematic scene would play proper with the closed cage.

Well ...
That is good reason. Didnt thought about that.

I withdraw my objections.

As it goes, if you do not save Sazza, then she is murdered in her cage - that is, killed while being a helpless prisoner of war - by someone, presumably the druids, by the time you get back and the assault is happening.

As an Ancients paladin, freeing her in no way violates any of your oaths; no punishment levied against her now will undo the harm she's done, and leaving her to the druids is just permitting base vengeance. By freeing her, you're actually actively upholding one of your oath's tenets - that of showing mercy and of preserving life where possible.