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I really don't have a problem with anyone making a game with sex in it. If that's their thing then fine that's THEIR thing. My problem is that in MY PERSONAL OPINION, read that again, MY PERSONAL OPINION it does NOT belong in Baldur's Gate. That's it in a nut shell. I don't think it belongs in D&D at all but definitely not in the continuation of 2 very successful NON-sexual games. I persoanally think it's distasteful and find it disheartening and very disappointing. That's MY OPINION. YOU MAKE YOUR OWN.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
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Yep...that's what parents should tell their younger children who like to play games.
Thats also an opinion ...

Mine would be: You are too young for this one. It clearly states 18+


Fine...but why limit your audience when the feature added a very questionable draw?

I seriously doubt many at all would say this made their D&D experience better...any way too late for that discussion.

I do vote for an off switch still.

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Originally Posted by Van'tal
I do vote for an off switch still.

That'd be great to have! The more customizable the game for one's tastes - the better!

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"Then why didn't you adress the constructive part of Red Queen's argument? Do I have to point out exactly what the argument was? Or can you manage to extract it? May be your "don't know what you are talking about" manner could work on a 10 year old, but man don't be funny
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Apparently you do have to point it out. I dn't see it other than her complaining about me voicing MY opinion in the FEEDBACK section. That's what it is MY opinion. I'm not saying it's yours or anyone else's. It's MINE. This is the FEEDBACK section. I have given MY feedback on this topic. whether YOU or ANYONE else agrees with it or not it's still MY opinion. Please do explain. I am a bit conffused why I can't voice MY opinion in the FEEDBACK section? What exactly is YOUR definition of FEEDBACK? Apparently it's different than mine.

Surely, I'll do that.

1. You said that the game is CENTRED around porn and nudity. The Red Queen obviously pointed out that it isn't, because it is just one scene. Even if there were 10 scenes like that, your exaggerated, clearly emotional statement won't be true. You have as much right to state your opinion as much everyone else has to point out the holes in your opinion and make it look stupid for what it is.

2. The Red Queen made a correlation with books and media. Do you have to say something on the matter? How is a sex scene in a setting based on the exaggerated real life (all fantasy is that) inappropriate? A lot of books have that, a lot of the time a romantic/sexual aspect kicks in later in the story or even in sequels. Take Witcher books for example. Take game of thrones. Take DnD campaigns even. Those are all FUN but have sex.

You loved what you were served in your youth. Now you act like the world is obligated to serve you all the same. Are you some authority or something?

1. Wow. Very confused here. Me that is. I NEVER said the game is CENTERED around porn. lol. Please point out where you got that from?

2. Nope, I have nothing to say about that. That has nothing to do with this game. I fail to see the point.

I was not "served in my youth". lol. And I certainly DON'T feel any obligation from ANYONE for ANYTHING. And I most certainly do NOT think I am ANY kind of "authority" on ANYTHING. lol. I don't know WHERE you're coming up with all this stuff. I most certainly am NOT better than ANYONE. Quite honestly I think I am far below most people. I can assure you I have NO ego problem.

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Originally Posted by Eyebreaker
1. Wow. Very confused here. Me that is. I NEVER said the game is CENTERED around porn. lol. Please point out where you got that from?

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My point is that this is D&D and it is Baldur's Gate. Not Debby Does Baldur. At least it shouldn't be. I'm honestly surprised that nobody over at Hasbro has had any problem with this insult to the great games. That's what they are , GAMES, not porn. Like I said some games are centered around sex but D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not. It's an insult.

Some games are -> Baldur's Gate (your baby duck version of it) is not -> It's an insult = Larian's Baldur's Gate 3 is

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2. Nope, I have nothing to say about that. That has nothing to do with this game. I fail to see the point.

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...making sex potentially part of our characters’ story seems perfectly valid. Loads of fantasy adventures in films, TV and books have plot elements that include romance and/or sex...

Game is a form of entertainment -> Films/Books are a form of entertainment -> they have maturity ratings -> those rated 18+ have sex -> films and books that have sex scenes/descriptions are okay (you watch porn) -> games that have sex scenes are not okay? stupidity detected?

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" games that have sex scenes are not okay? stupidity detected?"
I guess I have to say it again, I have no real problem with them making a game with sex. I simply feel IN MY PERSONAL OPINION that it has no place in Baldur's Gate. That's all.

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Originally Posted by Van'tal
Fine...but why limit your audience when the feature added a very questionable draw?
Its not the reason ...

As stated countless times before, this game contains lots of mature material ...
Blood, viscera, slavery, torture, racism, canibalism (ok, this one is not present anymore ... sadly laugh ), consumation of sentient beings, rape (both indicated and litteral), harsh speaking, and lots and lots more!

Having option to show sex as it is?
That is just bonus you get from that rating aswell. wink

Originally Posted by Van'tal
I seriously doubt many at all would say this made their D&D experience better...
Depends ...

In this particular game?
There was few people here on this forum who allready stated that if they are looking at "romance" (read fuck) scene, its actualy part of character development. smile So ... i gues there is some value. laugh

Originally Posted by Van'tal
I do vote for an off switch still.
I wouldnt probably mind off switch at all ... not for some purist reason, mainly for youtubers and streamers ...

But ...
Concidering that Chubblot few days back datamined nude models ... including, OR excluding genitals ...
https://twitter.com/chubblot/status/1604538127556567040
I dare to presume that this is allready on Larians mind. wink


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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Fair point. But correct me if I am wrong - I believe the Forgotten realms setting always was much darker than other D&D settings. And Larian depicted it by using gore, violence, and slavery. This by itself would probably push the rating up to M. So adding sexual features at this point won't change the rating, but can attract a new audience who is tired of safe and family-friendly games. It worked with the Witcher series, I suppose. So it can work in both ways. The more interesting question for me is that how it will feel when playing coop. It is hard to remain serious with friends, and watching intimacy together can feel weird, even if you are committed to the story and companions. But an off switch is a great idea. It solves everything. +1 on that.

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neprostoman you seriously need to re-read what you quoted me saying. I said EXACTLY " some games are centered around sex but D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not" SOME GAMES are. D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not. I CLEARLY said SOME ARE. SOME. READ what you're quoting dude.

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What can we expect for the future of this game? Is Minsc going to get mad a Jaheria and rape her? Is she going to get mad at this and turn into an owlbear? Are we going to add rape and bestiality to this game too?
You know the worst part about that is that SOMEONE somewhere is reading it and saying "Hey that sounds good. Lets do that". You need help dude.

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My Lord... Give neprostoman patience...

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I am with the OP on this. I feel like the puerile need for masturbation in video games ruins the experience. Same thing happened with Pillars of Eternity: Deadfire. The first game was almost perfect, the sequel was a colour by numbers dating simulator. If your idea of "adult" and "mature" content is "sex" ... you have a lot of adulting and maturing to do. Truly.

Frankly, the kinds of gamers who think that this is "fun" are the kinds of gamers who ruin live, at-the-table D&D as well by trying to f*** everything that moves instead of playing ... the game. I get that many of you are starved for sex and physical human contact, but trust me ... this ain't it.

There are Harlequin Romance novels with better writing, characters, and sex than BG3, if you're looking for a quick fix.

And, so far from what I've played of the EA, there are video games with better writing, characters, and D&D than BG3.

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Originally Posted by Eyebreaker
neprostoman you seriously need to re-read what you quoted me saying. I said EXACTLY " some games are centered around sex but D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not" SOME GAMES are. D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not. I CLEARLY said SOME ARE. SOME. READ what you're quoting dude.

It is amusing how you do not understand what I am talking about here even after I've deconstructed the whole thing in detail ... You said that BG3 is an insult to BG franchise right after you mentioned that BG and DND are not centred on sex. This, alongside with the huge initial rant with ALL CAPS all over the place imply that you somehow think that BG3 is centred around sex. If you didn't mean it, you surely didn't manage to convey the message you wanted to convey.

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The sex scenes in this game with stiff animation combined with detailed positions are very cringe and borderline comedy. And the fact that all companions basically wait in line to throw themselves at you feels like poor writing. Any excuse to trigger those scenes will do.

I just wish the devs didn't go there. Tilting the camera up after the first kiss or whatever and leaving it up to the player's imagination would work much better than trying to craft virtual sex scenes in a game engine. It's like some cringe juvenile fantasy come to life with clumsy game CGI. And I have to wonder who is this soft porn in a game for?

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^ this, 120%

I can't even imagine being a dev working on this.

"You want me to animate what?"

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The romance is literally 5% of every companion's dialog in POE 2. Some companions' dialogs you will probably not even unlock easily and some are not romanceable at all. I have 275 hours in POE 2, and all the romance part was maybe 15 minutes of that time. Maybe less. And it was extremely sensual too. I do not know where to masturbate there.

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Like BG3, every single conversation moves you towards sex in POE2. Every single one of them. You can't just talk to someone to learn about their lore without trying to fuck them. You had to actively try NOT to fuck them. I spit on this kind of crappy writing.

And that is poor writing. I'm sorry that you feel affinity towards it. I cringe to think that that's how people approach real life relationships. "oh, they talked to me, they must want to bang".

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
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neprostoman you seriously need to re-read what you quoted me saying. I said EXACTLY " some games are centered around sex but D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not" SOME GAMES are. D&D and Baldur's Gate definitely is not. I CLEARLY said SOME ARE. SOME. READ what you're quoting dude.

It is amusing how you do not understand what I am talking about here even after I've deconstructed the whole thing in detail ... You said that BG3 is an insult to BG franchise right after you mentioned that BG and DND are not centred on sex. This, alongside with the huge initial rant with ALL CAPS all over the place imply that you somehow think that BG3 is centred around sex. If you didn't mean it, you surely didn't manage to convey the message you wanted to convey.

You're absolutely right, I certainly DON'T understand you. You said I said the game IS centered around sex. I clearly pointed out that I DIDN'T say that. As for the caps they are simply meant to emphesise certain words to more clearly express them. Sorry if you take my words other than intended. YES I most certainlky said that I don't feel that sex belongs in Baldur's Gate. I definitely don't think it does and yes I definitely feel it's ruining the name. That's MY OPINION. Your's doesn't have to be the same. I'm totally fine if you think otherwise. That's great that you have your own mind/thoughts/opinion. Don't let someone else make them for you. I'M not trying to do that for you or ANYONE other than myself.

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Where did you get it, actually? I remember Serafen's hints towards that, but he is a pirate with no manners. Maybe Eder, I do not remember. But usually, you know that there is an obvious option leading toward romance, and I just did not click on it.

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Originally Posted by pachanj
Like BG3, every single conversation moves you towards sex in POE2. Every single one of them. You can't just talk to someone to learn about their lore without trying to fuck them. You had to actively try NOT to fuck them. I spit on this kind of crappy writing.

And that is poor writing. I'm sorry that you feel affinity towards it. I cringe to think that that's how people approach real life relationships. "oh, they talked to me, they must want to bang".
Did we really played the same game? There are so few approval dialogue choices in BG3, and any sex scene is hidden behind like multiple confirmations. People have a hard time to trigger those even by trying hard with a guide.

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