Originally Posted by Swagnar
[Linked Image from joeydevilla.com]

If I have to cite the Random Harlot Table one more time... I can't even post images of some of the stuff you can find in the AD&D manuals because it's NSFW and would likely violate community guidelines.
I have seen this chart earlier in the thread, but I must admit, I am not sure what it proves, but it might be my lack of experience with the table-top speaking. I never questioned harlot's existance in D&D, BG1&2 had them. I will trust you on the images, though.


Originally Posted by Aurora42
the BG games are what they are, thanks to them being written and developed as open minded and free spirited as they been... and as i said earlier, everything gets more grafical, simply couse the tech gets better
You are again conflating romances with explicit sex scenes. Stop that. The quoted above is just pure nonesense. First of all I would like you to introduce you to a small IP called Fallout. Original game was made around the same time as Baldur's Gate, were also isometric and released by the same publisher, but is a 18+ rated games. Bioware's choice to make BG games playable by teens was intentional - it is a simple hero story almost every one can enjoy. Even the silly gib animation was a toggle (which I tend to keep off, funnily enough to make the game more immersive). Also by your logic, few games would be rated below 18 if tech advancements were responsible for game's rating.


Originally Posted by Sozz
The mechanics of D&D deal largely with combat, because everything else can be taken care of with roleplaying. Saying that the sex doesn't contribute to the story is giving it short shrift. To look at it another way, if BG3 glorified violence it would be offensive, and if it used sex solely in a exploitative way, that would be meaningless, but I don't think either of these are the case. I remember Harlan Ellison describing gratuitous violence as violence that happens by rote, someone dies and it hold no meaning for the characters, which conditions the audience to feel the same. Nothing is gratuitous about the sex in Baldur's Gate.
I don't think the quote really captures the heart of the matter, as it seems to refer to the existance of a violent act in the narrative, but not its depiction. How something is depicted has an impact on meaning - it can change the scene from comedic slapstic to horror, it can make something seem repuslive or desirable. I mentioned Watchman, so I will continue using it as example. The comic has sex and violence and uses it to show how unheroic it's characters are. None of it's mature content is indulged in, as it is not meant to be entertaning. Watchman film, however, does the opposite being a very gory film, and glorifying its violence and sex. It's message is completely opposite to the source material. The comic is a deconstruction of a superhero story. The film, is just an R rated superhero story - in other words, it is just an unpleasant to watch usual superhero story and would loose nothing by not being R rated.

Last edited by Wormerine; 02/01/23 08:04 PM.