Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by vometia
Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
Bioware also have at least a couple of less successful examples of fortunately smaller cameos for (possibly) trans characters in DA:2 and MEA that now spring to mind, but at least they are trying and are willing to learn from their mistakes!

I don't recall anyone in DA2 though I'm not noted for my keen observational skills; and with that in mind, even I thought the cameo in Andromeda was extremely clumsily handled. Yikes. They did a much better job with Krem though parts of his dialogue still felt a bit artificial. Nice work by Shouty Shepard with the voice acting, tho'.

In DA2- it's in the Mark of the Assassin dlc, during the party scene in that dukes estate.

Yes. It’s been a while since I played DA2 but IIRC you meet them as a brothel worker in Kirkwall and then as a date (paid escort?) to Bann Teagan at the party fylimar mentions. I don’t think we know they’re trans. They could be enbie, intersex, a cis man who is either camp and enjoys cross dressing or puts on either a manner or women’s clothes just to make a living. Or none of the above! I actually find it realistic that we meet individuals in games like this that we don’t know how to label and never know well enough to find out how they’d identify themselves. I felt the interactions with the MEA character and even, I agree, Krem at moments, seemed artificial at least partly because we ended up having conversations about their history and identity that didn’t feel earned.

But the DA2 character was outrageously camp with an acid tongue and though I actually thought they were witty and quite fabulous, there was no doubt they were a stereotype that arguably tipped into caricature. Plus I wasn’t entirely sure whether the writers were expecting me to find their very existence in the context a joke, or the fact Bann Teagan chose them as an escort to a party funny in a horrible, cliched “oh no, it turns out this lovely lady is actually a man!” way, which I found uncomfortable. Being charitable, that probably wasn’t their intention at all, but while I think a character like that should be able to appear in games, I don’t think it can work when they’re the only example of a non-gender conforming individual in a title.

But all this is only tangentially related to the thread topic, so apologies! I guess it’s sort of relevant to discuss what good and bad trans representation looks like, but perhaps only if we squint smile


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