Larian Banner: Baldur's Gate Patch 9
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#840173 06/01/23 09:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2020
addict
OP Offline
addict
Joined: Oct 2020
In all my play thrus I have never seen a option to allow the grove to be sealed. Never really pushed for it other than trying to boot the Tieflings and Zevlor going crazy on me.

So,

1. Can I actually side with Kagha? I know that you can say it’s time for a change in the grove, but you are still forced to kill the shadow Druids.

2. If yes to number one, does the grove actually get blocked off?

3. Can you actually remove the Tieflings before the camp scene?

Thanks.

Joined: Feb 2022
Location: UK
Volunteer Moderator
Offline
Volunteer Moderator
Joined: Feb 2022
Location: UK
Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
Can I actually side with Kagha? I know that you can say it’s time for a change in the grove, but you are still forced to kill the shadow Druids.

I'd wondered about that option for Kagha but had never picked it! I was hoping it might give me a chance to get in with the Shadow Druids, but sounds like it doesn't. What is the game's explanation for why they need to die, if you support Kagha?

I've never seen the grove blocked off, but I think I did see someone say once that it can do, but I can't for the life of me remember the circumstance. I wonder what happens if Halsin dies or you kill Zevlor? Apologies that I only have more questions and no answers!


"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
Joined: Oct 2020
addict
OP Offline
addict
Joined: Oct 2020
Basically that you have already ruined their plans and they don’t need you.

That’s being said this is COMPLETELY in line with the shadow Druid lore. Revealing them publicly (out of the shadows) is against how they operate. Now if you discovered their plans and were a Druid and let it happen, then you have shown yourself with similar ideals. Then it would be lore friendly for them to visit you one night and invite you to join them. However, if you decline your life is forfeit. If that happens I would be ecstatic 🤩

Joined: Aug 2019
enthusiast
Offline
enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2019
The game was in a much less finished state when I attempted to do this, and I can't imagine it played out as intended. Zevlor initiates combat when you tell him that they have to leave the grove, after Kagha asks you to deal with them. However, once hostilities arise, the Druids join in, saying something like "It's time to deal with the intruders". And it becomes a gigantic free-for-all Battle Royale in the grove. The Druids are hostile to the party and the Tieflings. So, one simply has to kill everyone. It was quite a mess really.

Joined: Aug 2021
enthusiast
Offline
enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2021
yes. you can let it happen. once you lead tieflings refuge out. after certain times of long rest, you will find giant thorns blocking the grove entrance. but no evidence you can joint the shadow druid.

Joined: Oct 2020
Location: Liberec
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: Oct 2020
Location: Liberec
Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
1. Can I actually side with Kagha? I know that you can say it’s time for a change in the grove, but you are still forced to kill the shadow Druids.
Well ... not the way you would probably like to.
You can support her original plan: Complete ritual, kill every and any non-druid within the grove and lead it as new First Shadow Druid.

You cant "join" forces with shadowdruids, since they ... i would say, have no use for you.

But if you with Shadowdruids to win anyway, even if you have no gain from it ... there are two ways that i know about:

- You can kill Halsin (or simply let him die as he battle with Goblins) ... and dont expose Kagha ...
Im not entirely sure, since its quite some time i did this ... but i believe that if you kill Goblin leaders, you can also save Tieflings, who will leave ... next day in the morning, Grove gate will be overgrown by huge thorny plants and the area will be filled with posion.
(There is still way to get inside if you Distant-Mistystep trough that path behind a Waterfall ... but Druids will attack you on sight.)

- You can kill Zevlor ... and tell that to Kagha.
No matter what you do next, after single Long Rest, Grove will be sealed (thorny veins and poison) and any Tiefling that you didnt kill so far will be dead inside ... druids are again hostile on sight.
> If you save Halsin, he tells you that he no longer cares if you kill Goblin leaders, since Grove is doomed anyway ... this can be quite interesting outcome imho, especialy if Goblin leaders have some role in the future story.
> If you side with Goblins, Minthara will be pissed that you screwed her plan and attack you ... this is actualy great way to burn all your bridges and end up completely alone. laugh

Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
2. If yes to number one, does the grove actually get blocked off?
Yes ... and no. laugh
Unless that way trough waterfall was blocked aswell in last patch, as i said it has ben some time. smile

Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
3. Can you actually remove the Tieflings before the camp scene?
You mean force them to leave before you kill Goblin leaders?
No ... if you will push Zevlor to go, he will turn hostile and attack you.

This story can end in only two ways ... either Goblin leaders are dead, or Tieflings leader is dead ... there is no other outcome that i know about.
I mean, unless we count that time in between when both are alive and well and you are deciding wich party you support. laugh

But now when i think about it, you technically (even tho it dont really make much sense, story-wise) can kill Zevlor during first gate siege (scene when Aradin and his group is trying to get inside) ...
Not really sure how THAT would shuffle scenarios. O_o

Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
Thanks.
You welcome. smile

---

Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
What is the game's explanation for why they need to die, if you support Kagha?
They attack you. laugh
That is explanation for why they need to die. laugh

You interfered with their busines and they dont like it ... being extremist they are, and concidering that you are not part of the grove, and have nothing to offer to them ... their leader (Olodan? Orodin? ... that Halfling Rat-druid with dreadlocks) is quite simmilar to Kithrak "i have no use for you and you pissed me off, now die". laugh


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
Joined: Oct 2020
addict
OP Offline
addict
Joined: Oct 2020
@ RagnarokCzD

Perfect! That’s what I wanted to know. Thanks again!

Edit: Humm I wonder what happens if you leave Aunte Ethel there without talking to her when they go loony on all outsiders…

Last edited by avahZ Darkwood; 07/01/23 01:17 AM.
Joined: Oct 2020
Location: Liberec
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: Oct 2020
Location: Liberec
Nothing happens ...
If you sneak back to the Grove, she is simply no longer there ... and will be patiently waiting to start argue with Marina brothers at the edge of her swamp. smile

Naratively it makes perfect sense, it took at least a day before ritual was complete ... and she have somewhere to go ... so she simply left. laugh

Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 07/01/23 01:43 PM.

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
Joined: Oct 2020
addict
OP Offline
addict
Joined: Oct 2020
They probably already know what she is and asked very nicely for her to leave 😂


Moderated by  Dom_Larian, Freddo, vometia 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5