Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
1. Can I actually side with Kagha? I know that you can say it’s time for a change in the grove, but you are still forced to kill the shadow Druids.
Well ... not the way you would probably like to.
You can support her original plan: Complete ritual, kill every and any non-druid within the grove and lead it as new First Shadow Druid.

You cant "join" forces with shadowdruids, since they ... i would say, have no use for you.

But if you with Shadowdruids to win anyway, even if you have no gain from it ... there are two ways that i know about:

- You can kill Halsin (or simply let him die as he battle with Goblins) ... and dont expose Kagha ...
Im not entirely sure, since its quite some time i did this ... but i believe that if you kill Goblin leaders, you can also save Tieflings, who will leave ... next day in the morning, Grove gate will be overgrown by huge thorny plants and the area will be filled with posion.
(There is still way to get inside if you Distant-Mistystep trough that path behind a Waterfall ... but Druids will attack you on sight.)

- You can kill Zevlor ... and tell that to Kagha.
No matter what you do next, after single Long Rest, Grove will be sealed (thorny veins and poison) and any Tiefling that you didnt kill so far will be dead inside ... druids are again hostile on sight.
> If you save Halsin, he tells you that he no longer cares if you kill Goblin leaders, since Grove is doomed anyway ... this can be quite interesting outcome imho, especialy if Goblin leaders have some role in the future story.
> If you side with Goblins, Minthara will be pissed that you screwed her plan and attack you ... this is actualy great way to burn all your bridges and end up completely alone. laugh

Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
2. If yes to number one, does the grove actually get blocked off?
Yes ... and no. laugh
Unless that way trough waterfall was blocked aswell in last patch, as i said it has ben some time. smile

Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
3. Can you actually remove the Tieflings before the camp scene?
You mean force them to leave before you kill Goblin leaders?
No ... if you will push Zevlor to go, he will turn hostile and attack you.

This story can end in only two ways ... either Goblin leaders are dead, or Tieflings leader is dead ... there is no other outcome that i know about.
I mean, unless we count that time in between when both are alive and well and you are deciding wich party you support. laugh

But now when i think about it, you technically (even tho it dont really make much sense, story-wise) can kill Zevlor during first gate siege (scene when Aradin and his group is trying to get inside) ...
Not really sure how THAT would shuffle scenarios. O_o

Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood
Thanks.
You welcome. smile

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Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
What is the game's explanation for why they need to die, if you support Kagha?
They attack you. laugh
That is explanation for why they need to die. laugh

You interfered with their busines and they dont like it ... being extremist they are, and concidering that you are not part of the grove, and have nothing to offer to them ... their leader (Olodan? Orodin? ... that Halfling Rat-druid with dreadlocks) is quite simmilar to Kithrak "i have no use for you and you pissed me off, now die". laugh


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown