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Hmmm well we will see if these weird choices have an impact at all on BG3 in the first place. They have roughly 7 months and 2 weeks until the end of August. So we will see if they go around stuff like removing race etc.

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An enormous amount of the original D&D material was contributed by the player community, and the periodical "Dragon Magazine" was at the center of it. For example, the annarchive website link below (if it doesn't get filtered here) will take you to Dragon Magazine #1, which contained the Illusionist sub-class updated from its original publication in the Strategic Review newsletter:

https://annarchive.com/files/Drmg001.pdf

By changing the last three digits in the address (002, 003, etc.), you can access any issue of Dragon Magazine freely online. Dragon #067 explains the history of the Rod of Seven Parts and the Wind Dukes of Aaqa, for yet another example of fan contribution. D&D was never an individual's IP, it was always an open community project. That's why I like it. The original Baldur's Gate game also had a lot of community input.

But to keep up with modern times, I hereby declare that from this day forward, all suggestions I post are subject to copyright protection (c) Argyle per the date of the post. This includes all my great ideas for the Adventures in the City of Brass, notwithstanding the fact the the City of Brass itself was cited in the original AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide, but which in turn was derived from content of the original Greyhawk campaign, which was first hand-written on sheets of notebook paper somewhere in Kenosha, WI and which was in turn inspired by writings on scrolls, pyramid walls, and clay tablets from approximately the 1,000-2,000 BC era in the Tigris & Euphrates region.

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Originally Posted by robertthebard
Originally Posted by Kimuriel
Boycotting BG3 over something WoTC decided, I would advise against this. Why punish Larian for something done by a company they have no control over. You would only hurt Larian, not WOTC.

Because the only way you're going to affect a change is to directly impact Hasbro/WotC's bottom line. Atari released NWN 2 with a DRM scheme that was so aggressive that it was blocking things that weren't even connected to NWN 2. In my case, the DRM blocked me from burning CDs, even though the music I was burning wasn't connected to Atari at all. So I, and a whole lot of other people, quit buying things for NWN 2. Atari wound up patching the DRM out. It wasn't altruistic, it was "well, this is costing us more money than we want to lose", so they fixed it. It had to suck for Obsidian, but it got the message across.

I do believe in boycotting as a way to make one's voice heard against corporations, but I'll admit that I have felt kind of conflicted with them in some cases. Boycotting BG3 means costing Larian for a decision they had no part in. It's ultimately, I think, justified since Larian does have WOTC backing and are in active communication with them, they're directly bound up. But you voiced the idea of boycotting WotR second season pass DLC and that I feel far less certain about. Owlcat are as much victims in this situation as any other small publisher. They didn't even get into bed with WotC at all. They had an agreement with another company that has a relationship with WotC but not even a real busines relationship. They would be getting hurt even without a boycott to contend with. The same would go for Tactical Adventure and Solasta if they go ahead with their hinted next DLC.

All this is to say that I just have a bunch of thoughts on the matter and they're tough ones.

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
I do believe in boycotting as a way to make one's voice heard against corporations, but I'll admit that I have felt kind of conflicted with them in some cases. Boycotting BG3 means costing Larian for a decision they had no part in. It's ultimately, I think, justified since Larian does have WOTC backing and are in active communication with them, they're directly bound up. But you voiced the idea of boycotting WotR second season pass DLC and that I feel far less certain about. Owlcat are as much victims in this situation as any other small publisher. They didn't even get into bed with WotC at all. They had an agreement with another company that has a relationship with WotC but not even a real busines relationship. They would be getting hurt even without a boycott to contend with. The same would go for Tactical Adventure and Solasta if they go ahead with their hinted next DLC.

All this is to say that I just have a bunch of thoughts on the matter and they're tough ones.

I don't know if boycotting is the right idea behind my decision, because I'm not calling for action, just stating my position on the whole situation, and frankly, with what Paizo's been doing, I'm not sure it's going to be an issue. Here, however, it directly impacts WotC, and then Hasbro. I haven't tried to get a refund on my purchase, as I'm not sure that that would even be possible, considering I purchased the game Day 1 of EA. If I hadn't, however, I would likely not be buying it.

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Boycotting doesn't work here. Gamers are generally amoral addicts. r/gamingcirclejerk tried boycotting Harry Potter and it mostly backfired.

I mean, I am not buying Harry Potter and the Commercial Cash Grab or whatever it's called, but that's because I don't play games like that.


Bg3, when released, is going to rocket to the top of the charts and will probably win GOTY or at least snag a few of the GOTY categories.

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I dunno, boycott can be powerfull tool ...
But its too easy in my opinion for it backfire.

Just look at Solo: Star Wars Story...

Yes i know it was not the best movie ever made, still it was quite fine (i liked it) but people boycotted it bcs of Episode 8 ...
Now we have even worse Episode 9 ...
And Solo II. was cancelled. frown

I dunno, but cant help the feeling that nobody wanted this result. :-/

Originally Posted by Blackheifer
Gamers are generally amoral addicts.
*Blushing smilie*

Even i allready accepted the fact that refunding Bloodlines 2 was just a pose and will buy it again first day it will be possible ...
I will hate myself for that tho ... at least for a while.


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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