Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback I don't get Wyll

Having played through the game a couple of times, I do think that he needs a little bit more to let all the disparate aspects of his background and behaviour come together. I remember that way back in the earliest patches, I thought Wyll was just a commoner, and the noble stuff came up and just left me confused. So things have been cleared up at least somewhat since then. hopefully it keeps improving. It feels like everything we need to know has been presented to us, but it's just... a bit of a mish-mash at this stage.

I found that interesting too. I wonder if all of the, formerly piratical, nobles of Baldur's Gate will talk like that, or if the rich kid took up a bit of mockney to fit in. I think the second fits his story a bit better.

Well, I guess there has been plenty of time for noble accents to shift since Astarion’s time, but yes I was assuming Wyll had changed his accent to fit in with first his low connections and then the common folk, too . Whereas urchin Shadowheart has adopted a more "cultured" accent to better manipulate the powerful upper classes, perhaps?

Though it’s also possible that we can’t draw any conclusions from accents in BG3 at all, and there’s no neat mapping between accents in the game and origins. I know that conventionally upper class folk in Baldur’s Gate have tended to speak with posh English accents, but I’m not particularly wedded to there being any consistent correlation here. And I’ve no idea if any of that carries over to other localisation options!

Wyll is a badly written version of red prince from dos2. I hated his arc as ir was poorly written. That is amplified by Wyll being much weaker then red prince was in comparison when you recruit him. Here in bg3, the cover art ruins his story and spoils the foreshadowing- not the case with dos2. Also wyll is a boring human, and he died In my playthrough after 4 goblins crit him to death in patch 6.

Likewise he is useless as a Warlock, useless as a fighter, has bad hp, no proficiency with good Armour, and is restricted to being a lawfully good for a character who's story was directly copied from a lawfully evil character- red prince. So it feels stupid and clunky.

Wyll is neither lawful nor good - that much is sure.

Hmm... I thought the whole point about alignments such as chaotic good was having questionable methods.

I guess it'll hinge on how petty his need for revenge was and is.

Tbh, I'm not sure revenge against killer the babyeater of the earnibbling people can be that petty. I guess you mean proving people like the flaming fist wrong, though?

I mean, he is willing to torture an innocent man to get, what he wants - not exactly good aligned.
I think, Wyll desperately wants to be good, but has some very dark streaks in his character.

When did he ever torture an innocent man?

When you let him do the talking to Spike, Spike says, that he would tell Wyll, where Mizora is, when he torture the prisoner and Wyll does it.

When you control Wyll, you mean? He's never been opposed to me intimidating or killing Spike and asking the body

If you let Wyll take the lead in the conversation with Spike he'll do the torture.

Wow. That's another point for really-too-spineless to work above 22 for me.

People who make pacts with devils are often in such positions.

I only wanted to stop all crime, but now I'm murdering jaywalkers!

Man. Either I'm dragging him around teaching him "Stab First, Speak With Dead Later", or that goblins will yield to anyone who bosses them around... And he crumbles like a wet tissue. God damnit, Wyll. That whole scenario is an invitation to turn that goblin's own tools on him If I ever saw one.

Got to hand it to Mizora. He's got the perfect personality for a minion. Unteachable. Capable of evil, yet not smart enough to /be/ evil in a productive manner unless instructed. Broken enough to yield under force and think "oh, fuck" later. You just know that professed shame in the scene will haunt him, but it will never make him reconsider because he's used to it.

I think this is another one of the times where the realistic course of action is hampered by a hesitancy to take any narrative agency away from the player. Wyl can be allowed to accept Spikes condition, he can be told not to, and Tav can decide to attack Spike and interrogate him, but Wyll, who seems like someone who would absolutely do that, can't

Even so, giving Wyll control of the situation should mean he would act Independently. The goblin tortured Mizora. If they were trying to show us he would do anything, a violent outburst and beating the crap out of Spike would suffice. What we see is a foolish man. He hasn't learned anything about deals with the devil. Only this time, someone else pays for it.

I learned never to defer to Wyll in conversations because I won’t like the results!😆

That is true. That's why I prefer to play high charisma characters and do all the talking myself. At least I can live with the results then.