Maybe he agrees with you, but thinks you just went about it in a shitty way.
More or less.
Originally Posted by VulcanEmo
Originally Posted by robertthebard
Originally Posted by VulcanEmo
There are a ton of super legitimate criticisms of that scene honestly, https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=750763 comes to mind as a very well-articulated one. The scene itself is kind of a mess and is all over the place as far as consistency and atmosphere.
But your nonsensical, kink-shaming rant is not even close to constructive criticism. The issue here is not even that the content you are complaining about being "forced" to pay for is completely optional, ignorable, and even skippable, to me the greater problem is that you were ok with actively engaging in dialogue about committing genocide for no reason other than "some god wants it," siding with the objectively morally corrupt Drow/Goblins (who are roasting a dead dwarf on a spit and torturing a captive), and then literally murdering every single innocent refugee and druid in the Grove. But some nipples were where you drew the line?
You are very much you projecting your own issues onto everyone else, even going so far as to shame other people for things they might like, and honestly it's pretty telling of a larger social problem in general. I'd be willing to bet money that you are from the US, or a country heavily influenced by US culture, indicated by that fact that torture, violence and literal murder are more acceptable to you than seeing a boob. This scene is completely optional, and you had to engage in some truly reprehensible shit to even encounter it. If your argument to that is "well it's a game so doing bad things doesn't matter," then maybe you should reflect on that same mentality for adult content in said game as well. If you don't like it, don't interact with it.
Hi. I'm from the US, even worse, I actually live in the Bible Belt of the US. I worked professionally for years as a bouncer, in strip clubs. The chances are that I've turned down more pussy than you're ever going to get. So let's leave the "but the US" out of it. While my nearly 80 year old mother might be offended by this, nobody in my circle of friends would be, and most of them would consider what we've been presented with as tame.
I literally have no idea what you're even trying to argue here. I'm also from the US, and if you'd read my comment, you'd see that I am very much for the inclusion of adult content in BG3 and gaming in general, so not sure why you're so defensive about the fact that we have a problem with sexual maturity in this country. I'm not anti-US but you're blind if you don't believe we promote violence more than we promote sexual awareness. But congrats for making this all about the invisible pussy you never got.
That being from the US doesn't mean prude by default. I'm a 60 year old biker, and it's really irritating to see "I bet you're from the US because x". If you can't counter an argument any other way, then why try? So far, the PC Police haven't been at my door, wanting to arrest me for something I've said in this or any other topic, so far. They haven't been here to arrest me because I bought a game that has sex in it either and I live in the Bible Belt. If it was going to happen anywhere in the US, this would be the place. So, by all means call out positions you disagree with, but stick to the arguments, instead of attacking point of origin, because no matter what you believe, you might be over-estimating the value of that statement. You say you're not a prude, and I'm definitely not, and we're both from the US, how much value did "I bet you're from the US" bring to the conversation?
Y'know, if your original response had been this articulate instead of resorting to a weird ad-hominem reverse-flex about pussy you didn't get, I think we could have initially had a much more constructive conversation about this. For now, I'll move past that and pretend like it didn't happen to discuss the actual points you make here. But please reread my original post, as my concern wasn't based solely on where OP is from and I did fully counter their argument before even bringing up their location, which I mentioned as an aside to portray the social attitudes towards nudity and sexuality in the US (see below).
I never said that being from the US implies being a prude by default, and I primarily listed my reasons for disagreeing with OP without blaming anything on the country they might be from. But the secondary point that I made, and the issue that I will argue, is that being from the US DOES contribute to an unhealthy mindset concerning sex and nudity, compared to say Europe (this is imprtant as I'll mention later). It's pretty easy to see this mentality; head over to your local park there in the bible belt and ask any woman who has children how safe she feels breastfeeding in public. Then make your way over to any middle/high school and ask the teaching staff if sexual health and safety is a part of their curriculum at all, as opposed to abstinence as the only teaching methodology. Then look to see if there are any nude-friendly beaches or hot springs around your area, and while you're already on Google check how many cases of sexual assault are blamed on "what she was wearing" or any other similar excuse, and see how many of the offenders get away with it. The point is, as a society in the US, we stigmatize sex, and are substantially more accepting with violence. There isn't really even a mainstream concept in most places here of non-sexual nudity. Now again, this is very generalized, and myabe your friends and social circles are different (as are mine) but that doesn't make it any less of an issue for our mainstream society.
To answer your last question, my intention was not to over-generalize every person in the US, but the "point of origin" of the original argument, as you mentioned, is pertinent to the conversation. I think it is important to understand that Larian is not a US studio and the origins of OP's original comment are least tangentially related to the concern here (I'd argue more than tangentially related but because I'm an evolving, learning human being, I'm not so rigid in my viewpoints that I'd refuse to have a conversation about it). Someone in Belgium might be less likely to even attempt to make the same argument as OP, because likely they could walk across the street to the public nude beach right, or down to the legal sex-work district in their town (some hyperbole but you get the point).
